Retro FPS Discussion Thread

[Johnway]

So Pirate doom finished, reviews and opinions on the usual completion thread.

But going back to the topic at hand, i'm hearing a lot of good things about Selaco (which uses the doom engine), i'll no doubt be getting that game once it drops in price, has more time in the oven.

if theres any more doom news i'll be sure to let you guys know. Next wad: SmashDoom TV

 

[neogunhero]

@Johnway I’ve been thinking of going back to GZDoom mods once I’m finished with DUSK. I loved the first few levels of Pirate Doom but didn’t play much beyond that. There are so many great mods on there, I’m definitely missing out by not playing them. Your review of Pirate Doom 2 made me want to get back into them, and maybe I can finish up Eviternity too while I’m at it.

 

[Johnway]

@Johnway I’ve been thinking of going back to GZDoom mods once I’m finished with DUSK. I loved the first few levels of Pirate Doom but didn’t play much beyond that. There are so many great mods on there, I’m definitely missing out by not playing them. Your review of Pirate Doom 2 made me want to get back into them, and maybe I can finish up Eviternity too while I’m at it.

yeah finish off evilternity and then play evilternity 2 or pirate doom 2. Pirate doom 2 maps are mostly small /medium so you can breeze through maps very quickly.

Speaking of Doom wads, i have a few added to my list. i was going to mention it more once i finished my current Doom wads: Smash Doom TV.

lets start with a TC. Do you like Pussy? Do you especially love SPACE pussy? then you'll love Space Cats!

(TC) Space Cats Saga+ (Final) Update 6.66

Space Cats Saga+ Total Overhaul from last Release! Added new Maps, new Super Abilities, alot of reworked Weaponry and Classes and comes with an (optional) Monster Replacer now! This is the last and final Update. Nothing else to add here, as it got tons of Content now! Still compatible with most M...

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The DBP have some tasty looking wads.


DBP 65: Sanguine Holy Land

DBP65 - Sanguine Holy Land

Sanguine Holy Land is a new episode for Doom 2 designed for limit removing source ports (complevel 2) made by the various members of Doomer Boards, lead by @BiZ. The project theme was marble temples and blood rituals. DOWNLOAD HERE (V2) Old versions: Spoiler DOWNLOAD HERE (V1) Screenshots: MA...

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DBP 66: Lunar strain:

DBP66: Lunar Strain

Lunar Strain is a new Moon-themed episode megawad for Doom 2 designed for limit removing source ports (complevel 2) made by the various members of Doomer Boards, lead by me, Matador. There are 22 levels plus a credits map but there are also two curiosities I threw in the MAP31/32 slots. MAP31 is ...

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Rowdy rudy returns for another slice of mayhem. Die Rowdy

Skyscrapers!, Christmas!, demons!, Die hard (the movie). i would like to play this closer to christmas.

[RC2] - Die Rowdy - 44 Maps, Boom Format

Titlepic by @OverflowingMocha ~~~~~~~~~ Yippie-kay-yay! ~~~~~~~~~ Wad File: Die Rowdy - RC2 (drive) Port: Boom limit removing - Complevel 9 - Tested in GZDoom/PRBoom Resources: Rowdy Rudy by Doomkid, Duke Nukem, Cagetex, and doomxmas.wad. Compiled in wad. IWAD: Doom II Notes: Requires UMAPINFO co...

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This caught my eye, it looks good, will play in between the popular wads. Evil returns

(Official Release) Evil Returns 32-Map Megawad

Well, it took 7-years, but I finally finished my wad. Evil Returns is a 32-map megawad. There are various styles of maps including various themes. I tried to do a little bit of everything as everyone has their own preference of mapping styles. I have simple, easy maps, small, medium & large m...

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just right now, i've got my eye on another one. Doomium. No idea what its like.

[v1.2.0] DOOMIUM II: A Megawad Worth of Frantic Actions! [BOOM+UMAPINFO]

Hi Fai here Finally! after half of years of gruelling developement, went and come of mappers, its finally finished!! Welcome to DOOMIUM II, a Community Project where we seek the purest element of DOOM! A sequel to DOOMIUM I, This project aim to create a megawad worth of maps that are Short, Strai...

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We could be here all day if i keep scrolling doomworlds community board so lets wrap on one more wad.

Action Doom 2: urban brawl reloaded (Don't get confused by Action Doom). A melee brawler of sorts. i mention this one as it reminds me of fallen aces. not quite as stealthy or polished, but look forward to trying it.

Action Doom 2: Urban Brawl Reloaded

It’s time for action! The original first-person beat-em-up is back and punching above its weight. Urban Brawl has been remastered for 2021; the same great mod you remember now features a host of quality-of-life updates, bug-fixes and graphical enhancements. Urban Brawl: Reloaded is available now,...

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After hearing that weapons from Doom the dark ages is being imported into Doom2, i've been waiting for that skull gun thing to be implemented into a mod. The sprites already exist...

 

[BeardyHat]

@Johnway, what keeps you going with the Doom mods? I've played a couple of them (Ashes, My House, Infinite) and do really enjoy them, but I constantly get distracted by new Boomer shooters instead. Why download something for free when I can give someone else my limited money for a brand new thing?

Maybe I just need to watch more Doom mod youtubers.

 

[Johnway]

@Johnway, what keeps you going with the Doom mods? I've played a couple of them (Ashes, My House, Infinite) and do really enjoy them, but I constantly get distracted by new Boomer shooters instead. Why download something for free when I can give someone else my limited money for a brand new thing?

Maybe I just need to watch more Doom mod youtubers.

Generally speaking, i only play doom wads on the weekends or when i have a spare hour or 2 during the lunch time. My evening gaming is on my steam collection. When i play the Wads i generally play them one at a time, finish them off and move onto the next one. if i played nothing but doom wads, i would be absolutely lose interest. I like to temper it with Doom wads as my shooter desires and my evening play for something thats not a shooter.

Interestingly, its because the doom wads are free that i'm encouraged to play them. Sure there are several boomer shooters i want to play such as Selaco, fallen aces, beyond sunset, but they aren't ready yet (Still EA) and i'm patient enough to wait. I mean, i have half a dozen free doom wads, a massive steam backlog and a large amount of patience before i dip into my wallet.

I suppose that brings up a good point, the quality of doom community is outstanding and for FREE, its a no brainer for me to keep playing those first. i also watch the cacoawards and any youtube videos to play the best i'm always playing high quality wads. Sure, i've played through a fair share of wads that have rubbed me the wrong way and i stay away from slaughterfest or sunder like maps.

i suppose the other reasons include i've formed a habit out of playing wads and i'm sometimes blindsided by nostalgia. i played Doom2 a lot during my younger years and it still amazes me how much better the maps are made by the modding community. Most important of all is that i find them fun, if it wasn't i wouldn't bother with it. For some reason some of the best stuff i played the last few years have been doom wads. perhaps its because they're free, made by the public i give it a free pass, if i was expected to pay for some of the wads i would probably revise my opinion on some of them pretty quickly.

 

[neogunhero]

DOOM 1 + DOOM 2 Initial Thoughts

Last night, Bethesda and id Software released what you could call remaster updates for DOOM 1 and 2, together as a mega bundle including all official releases like Final Levels, TNT Evilution, SIGIL and more. There is also a brand new episode, Legacy of Rust, developed as a collaborative effort between id Software, Machinegames (known for the modern Wolfenstein games, upcoming Indiana Jones game, as well as the newest Quake II episode released last year, Call of the Machine), and Nightdive Studios (modern remaster legends). New Blood Interactive (known for DUSK, AMID EVIL and more) also had a hand in helping develop this rerelease package.

Alongside this mega content bundle is lots of new features and improvements. Most notably, moved the games to Nightdive’s KEX engine which include improvements to allow multi-threaded rendering, 4K resolutions, cross-platform multiplayer and co-op, as well as a full fledged mod browser built in game, slightly similar to other Bethesda games like Skyrim and Fallout 4’s in-game mod browsers. This allows you to download and play mods near instantaneously, and console players now for the first time can enjoy these mods too. This update is still compatible with nearly all mods ever released for the game, but the in-game mod browser only carries what the community uploads directly to that service. So far there are tons of mods to look through.

As for playing the game, it feels smoother and looks crisper than ever before. I blew past E1 last night with the new remixed soundtrack by Andrew Hulshult and had an absolute blast. It’s still DOOM by all means, but improved just enough to appeal to everyone wanting to revisit it and modders alike. The new soundtrack kicks ass, they are just remixed versions of the original soundtrack with new instrumentation. I haven’t tried multiplayer or the new episode yet, so can’t comment on that right now.

One awesome new addition is the id Vault. There you can see all sorts of old unused sprites, animations that didn’t make the cut, all the variations of enemies and artwork, even the raw camera captures of the physical models they made for each enemy which then gets turned into the sprites we see in game. The raw camera captures were especially interesting to me, they looked quite creepy with the low quality camera used. The Vault is an awesome collection of game making history that you don’t see much of these days.

So far this is a very awesome rerelease, remake, modernization update, whatever you wanna call it. Highly recommend for any DOOM fans.

 

[Hveðrungr]

@neogunhero Not even a DOOM fan but I'm genuinely happy for y'all. I know how excited I'd be if they remastered some of my decrepit faves.

 

[neogunhero]

@neogunhero Not even a DOOM fan but I'm genuinely happy for y'all. I know how excited I'd be if they remastered some of my decrepit faves.

Seems like specifically the retro FPS scene is getting all of this remaster love. Quake 2 “remaster” update from last year was pretty close to what this update for DOOM is. We just need to bring the same level of love to all other genres of games and remaster them! Civ 4 remaster update is high on that list for me.

 

[Hveðrungr]

@neogunhero Personally, and sticking with Bethesda, I'd love for them to remaster The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard. Arena and Daggerfall would have to be completely remade to put them in a 3D engine, and Morrowind is still very playable with mods, but Redguard is right there, crying out for some lovin'.

 

[neogunhero]

The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard.

I genuinely laughed so hard when I clicked that link, and the description under the title just says “ONE MAN AGAINST AN EMPIRE”. I’ve never seen such a short and blunt description on a Steam store page

 

[Hveðrungr]

HELL YEAH

 

[Brian Boru]

Civ 4 remaster update is high on that list for me

As long as Spearman can still defeat a tank, I'll go for that

 

[Johnway]

As someone who is a big fan of doom 2 and wads, i've been rather quiet on the recent announcements. its nice to see more classic doom for the massives. but i'm very much interested in the modding scene and how it will evolve. Tbh, i doubt not very much will change. certainly megawads that use copyrighted material to build their games will be off the list, but heres hoping most of the good stuff is intact. its unlikely to get me to switch from GZDoom at this point.

that said the recent copyright issues (people uploading wads and claiming they're the author) will be a bit of a nuisance but we'll see how that pans out. haven't got a stake in it and i don't recall monetization of the wads.

The other thing that i've seen was the ray tracing mods for doom 2. pff. Lets shove it on okuplok, sunder or some slaughterfest mapsand see how that looks...

Dazzling Doom 2 mod upgrades the legendary FPS with full-blown ray tracing, looks hellishly good

Rip and tear, with real-time path tracing

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onto wad news nothing really stands out atm. i did notice that lost civilizations 2. i played the original and enjoyed the linear open ended maps (although i just found myself backtracking to go the other routes to experience everything).

Lost Civilization 2, The Desolation

I really would like to work on some real games. So if there is someone from the industry seeing this, send a message, heh. As an IT-engineer, formally competent. Download link: https://www.mediafire.com/file/o76cq8kv4gjbonj/Jaskas_LostCivilization2_10.pk3/file fixed to 1.0 version Spoiler Last ve...

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The only wads that i'm really interested in is RAMP 2024 (Rabbits All Map Pack). A collection of maps from a wide variety of mappers from first timers and veterans and a wide variety of experiences and challenges. RAMP 2023 had 296 maps and its begineer friendly (in fact RAMP encourages and welcomes them to participate) links below if you want a crack at doom mapping:

RAMPART - RAMP 2024

ramp2024.doomproject.com

Currently in Beta, so waiting for final release and either i'll enjoy this or it will bore me to tears or it will make me quit in frustration.

 

[neogunhero]

its unlikely to get me to switch from GZDoom at this point.

I’m sure hardcore players will stick with GZDoom since that’s kind of been the standard for so long now. Plus, mods that require GZDoom to work won’t work with this rerelease. It was very exciting to check out, but I still go back to GZDoom to play my wads. Currently still going through Pirate Doom 1.

that said the recent copyright issues (people uploading wads and claiming they're the author) will be a bit of a nuisance but we'll see how that pans out. haven't got a stake in it and i don't recall monetization of the wads.

I didn’t know about this until I saw the PCG article yesterday, and as bad as it is, I’m honestly not surprised at Bethesda for allowing it. They never seem to think a few steps ahead of anything they do. I don’t know if it’s incompetence from the people who were responsible for the in-game mod browser portion of the re-release, or if Bethesda just truly does not give a crap about all the hard work their fans and players of their games put into making completely free content, and wanted to capitalize on it. The later seems more accurate since Bethesda does have a track record for doing this exact same thing as pointed out in the article.

 

[LexDiamonds81]

OG Wolfenstein fan here. Absolutely incredible - and Spear of Destiny was nuts....

 

[Johnway]

A bit quiet on the Doom front atm not started any megawads quite yet. With the recent news about bethesda blocking thatchers techbase, it reminded me that i needed to finish it. I previously played it a couple of years but i got stuck/map didn't work. Thought it might be something to do with beautiful doom or something and moved onto another megawad.

interestingly there are in fact THREE versions of Thatchers techbase. The original, the arcade edition and the censored edition.

the censored edition was pretty recent but i'm not going to play an inferior quality version of the map. No, what intrigued me was the arcade edition which was redesigned and with a few additions to make it more shooty and much easier.

The arcade edition is much easier namely that most of the key locked doors are just normal doors so you are pretty much free to explore. Each section is interconneted so there is more then one way to entry. The only problem is that i accidentally stumbled into the final fight and beat the map killing only 29% of the monsters and experiencing so little.

Oh well, with that sorted, i'm going to play through classic edition, its a lot tougher as it seems like the monsters do increased damage. Might be just me though.

 

[Johnway]

Just some NON doom FPS news. Nightdive studio is releasing Killing Time! Not exactly well known and a mystery why this was remastered, but hey why not.

Save 20% on Killing Time: Resurrected on Steam

Journey into a mansion on the Island of Matinicus where you'll arrive to find the mansion full of hellacious demonic creatures. Solve deadly puzzles, uncover the secrets behind a famous mystery and discover an ancient artifact from the Pharaoh Ramses, if you can live long enough to find it.

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failing that watch Ross's Game dungeon on the original:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV60gwgq1yc&t=1686s



Oh and if you have time and you're in Europe, please feel free to sign the petition in Stopkillinggames.com

 

[neogunhero]

Just some NON doom FPS news. Nightdive studio is releasing Killing Time! Not exactly well known and a mystery why this was remastered, but hey why not.

I watched Gmanlives’s video review of the Killing Time remaster and it looks awesome. Would love to try it out if it ever went on sale $10 or cheaper. The FMV animated sprites are hilarious to me, but back when it came out on the 3DO I’m sure it was groundbreaking.

 

[Johnway]

I watched Gmanlives’s video review of the Killing Time remaster and it looks awesome. Would love to try it out if it ever went on sale $10 or cheaper. The FMV animated sprites are hilarious to me, but back when it came out on the 3DO I’m sure it was groundbreaking.

yeah i saw gmanlives video review of it. it is nice to see the HD animations etc. i do have a soft spot for cheesy FMV and it does disappoint. As Ross points out in his video, it explains why there's weapons and ammo stashed all over the island and outside of the armouries. I think not being full blown horror hurts the experience. i mean, that front cover back in the days suggested something more serious and scary.

Do i want to get it? After watching Ross's video, i think I've spoiled it so probably no.

 

[Johnway]

This almost the season for halloween and i'm looking for some halloween fodder to play. Still playing yakuza 4, so i need to think about what to play next. Doom 2 modding community has come up with some goods:

[RC1] TRICKING & TEARING @ WARPSPEED - 31 Maps, Boom Format

~~~~~~~~~ ⏃⌰⌰ ⊬⍜⎍⍀ ⋔⏃⌿⌇ ⏃⍀⟒ ⏚⟒⌰⍜⋏☌ ⏁⍜ ⎍⌇!! ~~~~~~~~~ Wad File: TRICKING & TEARING @ WARPSPEED (Drive) Port: Boom limit removing - Complevel 9 - Tested in GZDoom/PRBoom Resources: aalientex, RedneckRampage, LostCivilization, Blood, Duke Nukem, Stalungcraeft. Resources were constructed with ass...

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i don't want to play a full wad, as i intend to play Die rowdy for christmas and i do also want to get my eyes on Ramp 2024, so perhaps i'll go for the first one.

Trick and Tear - October Speedmapping (WAD OUT NOW)

Picture credit goes to @aletheos eberlain ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HALLOWEEN IS HERE!!! Corpses shift and groan, pumpkins begin to glow, and the witch, abominable, insipid is brewing a cauldron of the most vile liquid; all in preparation for the witching hour. These ghouls and ghosts all have one ...

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Coincidentally, i wanted to try the previous trick and tear. but its not quite ready...

PUSS XXXVII: TRICK & TEAR 5 - Town of the Living DEAD! Sandbox Quilt CP (HALLOWEEN EVENT)

PUSS XXXVII: Trick & Tear 5 - Town of the Living DEAD I smell flesh! Its October again, and that means another Spooky Season with Pineapple Under The Seas Trick & Tear series! This years devilish delight will be presented by none other than @Egregor, who most recently co-hosted Quoth The ...

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Speaking of Doom wads, i'm still pissing about with UDB, i can't get the windows working, so i'll try something else for now. namely teleporters. I need to get the following sorted:


1. basic player teleporters
2. The spawn closet ambush
3. Seemless line teleporters

 

[Brian Boru]

i'm looking for some halloween fodder to play

The various retailers and bundles homes all have H offers.

 

[Johnway]

The various retailers and bundles homes all have H offers.

Honestly i might have already had my halloween game sorted. playing costume quest 2 was more of the insurance policy, but i'm almost finished with my current DBP wad so i might be able to squeeze a game in.

Speaking of doom wads, in ultimate doom builder i'm putting a bit more effort to mapping. if i was being serious about mapping etc i wanted to see what pressure points i would encounter. Plus give me something to put as much theory into practice i can. Nothing special, just a single room, with a bit of elevation and decorated with a few bits of doom cute. Will provide screenshots hopefully soon...

 

[Johnway]

With Lunar strain finally finished, i suppose i have a time to play some other wads. Like Rip and tear 1 and see what its like.

Speaking of Doom wads, a new one has come out its Doom 3 (in doom 2). Not a recreation of Doom 3 (at least i hope not) but it looks mighty interesting. 11 years in the making apparently:

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