Random Hardware topics

[Colif]

7800 xt might be rejected 7900xt that didn't quite have enough cores to work. So it will be based on chiplets as opposed to the old monolithic dies that Nvidia still uses. It seems they have plenty of spare silicon. it won't be as powerful obviously. I not sure what vram it would have.

Until consoles get more than 16gb of unified ram, there won't be many games that need more vram than 16 at most. So it makes me wonder why some cards have more unless its for non game tasks. Having more than you need is a nice position to be in though.

I probably need to find a game that pushes card. I wonder what Diablo 4 will be like, I know its not RT. I suspect my CPU is likely the bottleneck in my system - but the secret with bottlenecks is you will always have one, regardless of how hard you try.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

7800 xt might be rejected 7900xt that didn't quite have enough cores to work. So it will be based on chiplets as opposed to the old monolithic dies that Nvidia still uses. It seems they have plenty of spare silicon. it won't be as powerful obviously. I not sure what vram it would have.

Until consoles get more than 16gb of unified ram, there won't be many games that need more vram than 16 at most. So it makes me wonder why some cards have more unless its for non game tasks. Having more than you need is a nice position to be in though.

I probably need to find a game that pushes card. I wonder what Diablo 4 will be like, I know its not RT. I suspect my CPU is likely the bottleneck in my system - but the secret with bottlenecks is you will always have one, regardless of how hard you try.

Exactly, bottlenecking is a bit of a noob trap. If your CPU only gets a game to 130FPS but your card can get to 200 if it wasnt it probably doesnt matter in most cases. Lot of games are poorly optimized as well so hard on CPU whatever happens. Diablo 4 looks pretty good from screenies I've seen, GameGPU makes it look like not overly demanding though, at least at 1080p

https://en.gamegpu.com/rpg/role-playing/diablo-iv-beta-test-gpu-cpu

I read they had 2 more chips Navi 32/33 that the new cards were going to be based on. Also read a rumour somewhere that the 7800 and 7700 might have been delayed partly because they had figured out some bugs in the architecture to improve clockspeeds to 3ghz plus which they couldnt retroactively apply the fixes to the 7900 series putting them closer together than they intended.. It was probably on Videocardz so grains of salt and all that.

Personally I'm hoping its true and also they improve RT as well, I can dream. 4070 pricing is at a level here I wouldnt be against paying, hoping the Rdaeons are thereabouts with faster raster and more VRAM at least.

 

[Brian Boru]

does anyone actually play games at ultra settings?

I played Crysis amped to the max, just to see what the fuss was about. That was around 5-7 years after it released tho
Otherwise I usually play with default, or try on High if default is lower—visuals aren't a big deal for me unless they interfere with gameplay, like eg making dark places unplayable.

secret with bottlenecks is you will always have one

One of the most user-friendly business books I read was The Goal by Eli Goldratt. It was done as a fiction novel, and so much more readable than most biz books, and espoused his Theory of Constraints, which centered around bottleneck management as an Operations Management technique. Aren't you glad I shared this?

 

[Colif]

Diablo 4 shows how the more VRAM you have on GPU, the less ram it has to steal from system

The test was conducted on the base configuration Core i 9 13900K with 32 GB DDR5 6400 MHz pre-installed memory. All used RAM was taken as an indicator. The RAM test on the entire system was carried out on various video cards without running extraneous applications (browsers, etc.). In the graphics, you can add and remove any resolutions and video cards as desired.

annoyingly to me, the website lists a 7900xt but doesn't include it in most test results. Instead shows the xtx.

I should have known a Diablo game would hardly stress PC out... hmm, I need to look elsewhere.

I can tell that if the new 7800xt is just a cut down 7900xt, there will still be more reviews for the thing than there are for my GPU. 4 months after release there still aren't any good reviews of the card I bought.

 

[Colif]

Sigh, no one is buying our GPU.... I know, lets cover the fans with Spiderman stickers and call it the Spiderman version

ZOTAC GAMING GEFORCE RTX 4070 Twin Edge OC SPIDER-MAN™: Across the Spider-Verse Bundle | ZOTAC

<p>The ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Twin Edge OC is a compact and powerful graphics card, featuring the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture and an aerodynamic-inspired design. With a reduced 2.2 slot size, it's an excellent choice for those who want to build a SFF gaming PC capable of high...

www.zotac.com

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

Missed that question, motion blur off and AA to low levels, but otherwise all Ultra if possible.

If Ultra doesn't run well enough then I start reducing expensive settings or enabling FSR etc. So yea I always play at Ultra if I can get over 60 FPS minimums while doing it.

Diablo 4 shows how the more VRAM you have on GPU, the less ram it has to steal from system

annoyingly to me, the website lists a 7900xt but doesn't include it in most test results. Instead shows the xtx.

I should have known a Diablo game would hardly stress PC out... hmm, I need to look elsewhere.

I can tell that if the new 7800xt is just a cut down 7900xt, there will still be more reviews for the thing than there are for my GPU. 4 months after release there still aren't any good reviews of the card I bought.

GameGPU has always been a bit weird, if you click the drop down menu and select the I3 10100 for some reason its the fastest of all the CPUs

Still they benchmark stuff that others dont sometimes and the results mostly line up with other places, even if their web page sometimes has mistakes.

I think they have the 7900XT though. I didnt realize the drop down menu on the left lets you select resolution too.

 

[Colif]

The difference between minimum and max detail in D4 isn't that massive. It likely looks different in action. DIablo isn't a spectacle really and it appears way more gritty in this edition.

I could set my games to ultra but as most of mine are all old, its unlikely to make that much of a difference.My newest games don't really push the graphics, Last Epoch doesn't do a lot.
No one I watch play games is playing anything that makes me want to play it. I tend to watch games I will never play, its one way to see the end I guess.

They include 7900xt in some charts, here is one where i compared it against my last GPU on my CPU:

looks a little CPU bound at 1080p and 1440p. Not that I can use the speed its hitting and I don't care about 4k. if grey is the lows, then 152 is still faster than my monitor.
I can't afford this CPU:

I9 can't help the 2070 but it sure helps the 7900xt
I assume 5800x3d can run GPU faster but my monitor can't.

 

[Colif]

IGPU have come a long way

It can run crysis at 75fps - sure it is at 1080p

low end Nvidia cards may be unnecessary soon

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

IGPU have come a long way

It can run crysis at 75fps - sure it is at 1080p

low end Nvidia cards may be unnecessary soon

Its impressive, but people have been saying for years that low end cards are at risk from onboard as it improves. Hasnt really moved anywhere yet. I guess until the latest gen AMD's CPU's didnt have integrated graphics, and people still use the crappy GT730s to output to multiple displays in offices and stuff.

Steam Deck and all the handhelds coming out are basically using integrated graphics and getting decent results. I think the new Asus thing is using the Radeon 780m.

 

[Colif]

AMD Ryzen Z1 and Z1 Extreme APUs Debut in Asus ROG Ally Handheld

But still no price!

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

Nice, didnt realize there were two configs. The lower one has quite a bit lower GPU specs though.

I'm tempted to get a Steam Deck, sometimes I just want to lay on the sofa and play something. The Asus looks great and all but the price on deck is better and I like the idea of the track pads for playing mouse based games.

 

[Colif]

This is related. Jedi Survivor needs 18gb vram to run in 1440p alone. As test was run on a 4090 we have to assume that the 4k total is more than 24gb or they would have shown it. No Gpu exist outside pro market that have that much. Yet.
Silly thing is the game only uses 4 cores so it is CPU bound on the 4090. Gpu is mostly idle.
If it used all 12 cores on the 5950x, it would be better. They want speed over multi thread... Sure sounds like Crysis revisited. CPU are about as fast as they can be on silicon. Use more cores.
Once my internet works I will add a Daniel Owens video as evidence.

 

[Colif]

Patches may make that game liveable in coming months/years

the shooting game featured looks real to me.

 

[Alm]

I just bought a 7900xt. My CPU is 9700k so I think I'll look to upgrade that once I can afford it.

 

[Alm]

I think the Ally has a US price of $700. And I think that's for the higher spec one.

 

[Colif]

shame it doesn't include 1440p
Build 22621 of Windows 10.... right, anyone out there with win 10 22621 is lying as its actually Win 11

 

[Brian Boru]

Interesting monitor from Philips:

Business Monitor Dual screen display

 

[Colif]

video easier to read
its very single purpose really

 

[Colif]

its bad enough only having 8gb now

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

4060Ti

15% faster than the 3060Ti with the same amount of VRAM on the base model, so its basically a 3070.

Theyre leaning really hard on DLSS 3 frame generation, anyone tried it? Techspot didnt like it much last I heard.

Based on this it's hard to recommend anyone use DLSS 3 at moderate to low frame rates. To avoid any latency issues and effectively playing the game at a lower performance level than you started with, you need a high baseline FPS before enabling frame generation. We would recommend a minimum of 120 FPS before DLSS 3, targeting around 200 FPS with frame generation enabled. In this configuration you'll probably see latency equivalent to playing in the 100-120 FPS range, but with a higher level of smoothness, which we feel is acceptable for single-player titles where latency isn't a huge factor.

Maybe its improved since then, and it probably doesnt matter as much in games where reaction times arent as much of a factor. Then again those are the types of games where high FPS doesnt matter as much anyway.

 

[Colif]

RX 7600 doesn't appear to be in competition with it but is aimed at lower end again. Not out for a few weeks still.

I don't know why I keep watching videos on new GPU, its not like I am going to buy one... how many cases could take 2 GPU now most of them are triple slot. Not like I could buy a 4060 and put it in a physx card... Guess it would be one way to avoid sag on my 7900xt, use a 4060 under it to hold it up. Who needs fresh air anyway.

DLSS... fake frames. Could be jealousy at not having anything like it on AMD side. But DLSS is used as a reason to buy Nvidia GPU with lower vram totals. The promise of compression algorithms that mean you don't need more VRAM on horizon is what reduces the cries for more on new Nvidia cards going forward. Anything to not increase it... Nvidia's pro cards start around 24gb of Vram, putting more on the gamer cards reduces profits. Especially since they based on same cores. AMD don't care so much as their pro cards have more VRAM still. Think they start at 32gb

Originally I was going to wait for the 7800 to come out... I would still be waiting. I wouldn't have any idea what to buy now. So glad I was impatient and lucky enough to get the card I wanted.

 

[Colif]

4060 TI with 8gb of ram will be already struggling to play some 1080p titles at high settings. Why would you buy one??

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

RX 7600 looks roughly 1/3 of an 7900XTX

Shading Units 6144/2048
TMUs 384/128
ROPs 192/64
Compute Units 96/32
RT Cores 96/32
Memory Bus 384 bit/128bit
Bandwidth 960.0 GB/s /288 GB/S

It might clock higher and have improved drivers, but if it performs about the same as the specs itll be around an RTX 3060 in raster. Not too exciting for me at least.

Yea 8GB of VRAM isnt what I'd be looking for right now. then again if I wanted to ultra stuff with RTX on I wouldnt be looking at a 60 series card.

 

[Colif]

The elusive 7700/7800 might be more interesting but no need to release those yet when your previous gen still competes well against the newest Nvidia cards. Only card AMD can't match is the 4090 and that won't happen this generation. I doubt they make a super 7950 xtx with more power just to compete... as Nvidia never released a 4090 TI model.

So no rush to release new AMD cards beside low end for some reason. Could be it offers AV1 encoding which is about only thing the 40 series low end cards have over the AMD cards now. That will even that out.

Very likely all the GPU above it in AMD series have somewhere between 20 and 8gb VRAM on them. Possibly next has 12 if its anything like last gen... they might just jump to 16. Unlikely to have more than 20gb

FSR3 meant to include frame generation

But perhaps the biggest and most intractable problem for FSR 3 and DLSS 3 is CPU bottlenecking. It doesn't matter how many frames the GPU is putting out if the CPU can't keep up, and even the fastest CPUs have limits.

AMD's FSR 3 will rival Nvidia DLSS 3, but also face the same challenges

AMD's third update to FidelityFX Super Resolution sure looks like DLSS 3, strengths and weaknesses included.

www.xda-developers.com

It seems we need those 10ghz Pentium 4's still

bottlenecks are fun. Just need to learn to stop trying to remove them all. As you can't.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

AMD's RX 7900 XTX Matches an RTX 4090, While Using 700W of Power

It takes 700W for AMD to defeat Nvidia's flagship

www.tomshardware.com

The 7900XTX does match the 4090

Waiting to see what the 7700/7800 does. I've been holding off on AAA games and some replays, but I'm happy enough playing older games for a bit anyway.