Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Playthrough Discussion

[Frindis]

Will be playing some more tomorrow or Monday. Feel free to share your experiences while playing the game. Try to avoid heavy spoilers and surprises for those who have not played through the game yet.

 

[Zloth]

The game is HUGE! I never did finish it.

I played as a mage (of some kind) that specialized in electricity. Little did I know that demons are flat-out immune to electricity attacks. They did provide a mechanic that lets you overcome that resistance, but it sure made for a rough start.

Specializing in poison attacks is another no-no. (Though, I remember something about some patches helping with that. It was after I stopped playing, so I don't know the details.)

 

[Pifanjr]

Specializing in poison attacks is another no-no. (Though, I remember something about some patches helping with that. It was after I stopped playing, so I don't know the details.)

That's true in Baldur's Gate 3 as well, there are just too many things resistant or immune to poison

 

[Zloth]

That's one longtime issue with RPGs: picking a class that isn't going to do well because of what the adventure is about. A few of them (including WotR) will warn you off the skills/classes, but any game based on a real table-top game is susceptible.

 

[Pifanjr]

That's one longtime issue with RPGs: picking a class that isn't going to do well because of what the adventure is about. A few of them (including WotR) will warn you off the skills/classes, but any game based on a real table-top game is susceptible.

That's a big pet peeve of mine with cRPGs especially. There are often a couple of skills or abilities that seem like they could be very useful, but it's impossible to know how often the game will let you use them and whether it's even worth it to use them in those cases.

Social skills for example often just get you slightly better shop prices or a bit more loot from a quest giver or something. Maybe it even allows you to skip a couple of combats, though those combats are usually optional, easy to win anyway and by skipping them you miss out on the XP and loot you would have otherwise gotten.

Same thing with lockpicking skills, where you have no idea if it'll just get you a bit more loot (which is often just junk you sell for a bit more money that you don't even need) or if it'll actually allow you to bypass other non-trivial obstacles.

 

[Charagma]

Apologies, I have a huge job that came in so between pathfinder and work I do not get round to the internet much.

Class plays a huge role I agree. Being the "lead" character, I make sure that my companions cover the skills that I miss. That said traps are always a problem and unfortunately, in most RPG's rogues are the only one able to disarm. I end up mixing classes on my character (For what I need) and then have Wizards, ranged and tanks as companions.

Hahaha Yes opening all the chests is mainly sellable junk, but the gold always comes in handy. Rogue perception and trickery helped me in taking Dresen in path finder. Well, I am close to taking it anyway. Maybe about 3 more game weeks then I will be strong enough to take the last tower.

I did however see that I made a mistake in my previous post. I am I Inquisitor/Rogue and not a Slayer/Rogue as previously stated. I do not think there is just a "specific" class that can win a game. It just makes the game more, or less, challenging. This said, I think if you play a character, you are comfortable with and abilities you get as you need them you are pretty much set. Then just boils down to technique.

 

[Pifanjr]

I do not think there is just a "specific" class that can win a game. It just makes the game more, or less, challenging. This said, I think if you play a character, you are comfortable with and abilities you get as you need them you are pretty much set. Then just boils down to technique.

There are definitely some games where you can create a character so bad that it's basically impossible to finish the game, though most modern ones let you change your build. You just have to make sure you have a recent save where you're capable of doing so, as it often involves a fee and/or a specific location.

But even if all classes can beat the game, it would be nice if the game would let me know if the class I choose is going to be more or less challenging. It's something the developers of the game must surely know about. Especially in games with very long, unskippable tutorials it's devastating if I realise afterwards that the class I took sucks and the only way to fix it is to restart the entire game, as even in games that let you respec your build you often either cannot change your actual class or getting the equipment for the new class requires a ton of effort.

 

[Charagma]

Agree with you on the Guide. Add a little symbol that indicates how a class will affect your difficulty. I usually just push it through. Been playing Rogue builds since I cannot remember when. Maybe I just have the knack for it. If you want me all confused and a fish out of water, give me a wizard to play with. Easier to open chests, flank attack, stealth attacks and dual blades in a light armor as opposed to running around with a stick trying to shoot someone with a bolt of lightning.

Finally took Drezen tonight. Man! what a mission. Will try not Todo spoilers (LOL) but decided on Aeon (Think I have the vowels correctly), simply because of the benefits. Trickster would have been my obvious choice, but a one liner for what you get ended up being a no brainer.

Game now completely evolved to a point where I am contemplating deleting some of my games. First time ever I play a single game where I have:

1. Civilizations
2. Diablo
3. SimCity
4. Risk
5. Dungeon Lords
6. Oblivion
7. Game of Thrones

All in one game.

HAPPY DAYS!!!!! Finaly got the teleporter, which was something I been praying for since before Leper (shrine ....... I think).

Still trying to find everything in the town though. Personally, I hate it when games do that. You just get to know where everything and everyone is then they pull you out of your comfort zone and you need to hunt for everything again. Unfortunately, all the games like doing that to me. Every new town is like the start of a new game, hunting, looking, walking and pretty much doing nothing except opening maps to know where what is.

Looking for the Storyteller (Again.........) When I find him this time I am going to give him a cellphone. For a blind man he walks around way too much. LMAO

Will see how far I get tomorrow night. Not much has changed on my locations on the main map so I do not see any new locations available looking directly at the map. Know there is a bunch of new quests in my Journal but will start looking at them tomorrow night.

 

[Pifanjr]

Still trying to find everything in the town though. Personally, I hate it when games do that. You just get to know where everything and everyone is then they pull you out of your comfort zone and you need to hunt for everything again. Unfortunately, all the games like doing that to me. Every new town is like the start of a new game, hunting, looking, walking and pretty much doing nothing except opening maps to know where what is.

This is something I struggled with when playing Baldur's Gate 3 as well, especially since getting around can be a real pain when there is any verticality or, god forbid, jumping involved.

But even if it's just walking, the world is so densely populated with stuff that you really need to explore every nook and cranny of every area if you don't want to miss anything, which can get overwhelming and mess with the momentum of the game.

 

[Zed Clampet]

I started playing this, but got overwhelmed by the character creator, so after I finally got my character done, I quit. At least I won't have to do that again next time.

 

[Zloth]

But even if it's just walking, the world is so densely populated with stuff that you really need to explore every nook and cranny of every area if you don't want to miss anything, which can get overwhelming and mess with the momentum of the game.

Eh - I'm going to do that anyway. Even if it messes with the momentum.

 

[Charagma]

Got past a few odds and ends. The pink blind dragon made its first appearance. Well assuming blind because when it flew off, I noticed it had no eyes. Could be a character creation error. Not sure.

Now in some plane travelling from Island to Island. "I dunno........getting this funny feeling they do not want me there" (LMAO). Struggling here. Just got through the second Island. Between the traps and enemies, I have already used up all my health potions.

@ Zed Clampet. I have a different approach which might assist you in these kinds of games. In most "RPG"(Using the term loosely here), Character creation is key. So, I pick a pre-created character (All of them have a few of them). I go with something I know (My case Rogue). Then I get my feet wet. Play a few quests and then feel the game. Then somewhere stop the game completely. Go through the character creation (because now I have a rough idea of what is needed), then play the game from scratch with my new character. If my original pre-created character does not cut it, then I try another pre-created. Rinse and repeat kind of thing till I find one that works for me as per my game play. This then becomes my base character line. Specifically in pathfinder I hit several snags in the rogue path on the pre-created character, resulting in using the Inquisitor path as base and expanding it to a rogue. The inquisitor path I chose for the animal (In my case a wolf) that gave me an additional controllable companion which is great during battle.

I have however found a game changer. Yes, it is a cheat mod (By now most know I do not like the cheating thing), but this one is worth mentioning. The mod is called Toybox. Inside this mod you have the ability to speed up or slow down the entire game. With my PC being lower than minimum requirements, walking from one side of an area to another was a Pain in the crack. I sped up the game timer to 1.7 speed and it made a huge difference to the game. There is obvious many other cheats etc. that can be switched on and off (Not of interest to me) but the UI (Advanced camera settings) and speed settings in the mod is worth checking out. Especially if you have a below "Par" PC.

 

[Frindis]

Vanilla Oblivion has been taking up my time, but later today I will jump back in for a few hours. Here is a screenshot of my adventurous party. The thing in the back is a Pipefox companion that I found, which gives a nice insight bonus on knowledge/perception skill checks. It's a funny one because it does look like a pipe and a fox.

 

[Charagma]

Yeah, I Know the pipefox. I like the little dragon (cannot remember what it does though). makes background noises while doing whatever it is supposed to be doing. (LMAO). Will try and take a screenshot of mine but have a feeling my PC is going to start laughing and freeze up on me. Worth a try though.

Nearly had a heart attack today. During the 13 Island quest thingy, I stuffed everything in the chest on the boat. Then after everything the chest was gone, and I could not get back on the boat. After about half an hour trying to get back on the boat, decided to go back to the citadel. Did whatever had to be done with everyone that needed to speak to me and then went to the room to go put away my new notable loot. LO AND BEHOLD. Everything that I thought I lost was in there with my other things. Took me almost an hour to sort and sell. Poor creators, I gave 'em a piece of my mind for letting me play a quest for the whole day and walking away with a pair of glasses (Last thing I picked up on the last island). Needless to say, I now have almost 700k gold. enough to get the armies going.

Odd question though. Read that the more companions you have the longer your load times are etc. I still have all the companions from the start (13 in total now) and not sure if I should let some of them go. Any truth in the loading thing or just someone that is taking a chance?

Will post a screenshot asap if my PC allows it.

 

[Frindis]

My new companion sure has that silver tongue about him. He is also evil, and I am chaotic neutral, so this could be fun

 

[Charagma]

Sorry for being silent, will post the whole story in the general discissions thread. Needless to say, I had to restart. Was so upset I picked any character with an animal companion. To be honest not even sure what class I ended up with. But have a horse as an animal companion.

Screen shots, I am able to take but uploading ..... seems like I am technologically impaired and not getting it right.

 

[Pifanjr]

Sorry for being silent, will post the whole story in the general discissions thread. Needless to say, I had to restart. Was so upset I picked any character with an animal companion. To be honest not even sure what class I ended up with. But have a horse as an animal companion.

Screen shots, I am able to take but uploading ..... seems like I am technologically impaired and not getting it right.

Have you checked out the guide for uploading images?

Info - How to upload images to Media section

Putting Images Into the Media Section On the left side of this page, you'll see a long list of options. If you click Media, you'll be taken to a page full of images. If you want to add an image of your own (conforming to the guidelines, naturally), you can do so by clicking the Add Media...

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[Charagma]

Have you checked out the guide for uploading images?

Info - How to upload images to Media section

Putting Images Into the Media Section On the left side of this page, you'll see a long list of options. If you click Media, you'll be taken to a page full of images. If you want to add an image of your own (conforming to the guidelines, naturally), you can do so by clicking the Add Media...

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Hahaha see, kinda figured I was missing something. LMAO. Will retry tonight when I have a bit of time to mess around on the internet.

 

[Frindis]

Had an interesting fight with a succubus last night. 95% of my attacks did not work because it had super high defense against magic and basic attack, so any spell/attack I thought could have worked, did not land at all. Turns out the only thing I could do was to use my daily "5 guaranteed hit's" perk for my ranger and after those I just had to trust my luck in getting any hit's done. After 30 minutes of fighting, the succubus met it's demise from an arrow in the back. Not my proudest fight, but I did get a cape from it, so looking forward to identifying that one.

 

[Charagma]

https://forums.pcgamer.com/media/users/charagma.506686/

LMAO technologically impaired. Got this far at least.

Finally past Drezen again. Decided to follow the Azata route. Something that helped me a lot was changing the game settings to have more enemies at a time. Not easy while playing Hard with additional enemies but you get a experience boost of note.

As per the image, and yes, my wife thinks I am losing it. I want to change my character name to Mulan, since I now have Bessie and Mushu and every enemy "pops out of the snow like daisies", but, unfortunately, stuck with Charagma, Blue and think the little dragon is called Aviou. Mahn! the developers loved playing with the vowels in the names. While on the subject. Anyone on good terms with the skeleton merchant? Put in a good word for me I want to buy one of his horses.

Had a tough fight in the lost temple (Just before Drezen). Started opening the map and there was some creature that popped out of the snow with a very long name. Abandonmen was somewhere in the name. Gave me a hard time. Fortunately, it was alone so able to do 3x melee flanking with an archer and two wizards. My poor horse must have died of a heart attack because he did not even see the first strike. Just fell over and died.

Cannot remember finding the Book of dreams before but found it in a cave in the same area. Still a bit confused as to what it does, but I am dragging it along wherever I go just in case it is important. It updated once already so keeping an eye on it. The lost temple will get a re-visit from me. Still some parts of the map I do not get open. I am missing a ledge or a slope or something somewhere.

Character, I have now is a Cavalier with a horse and a dragon. After trying all the weapons, I could place on the character it seems as if the Scythe works best, it's a "Bring it on! one punch man" kind of situation although the strikes are very slow. So far very few misses but when it hits it is a critical hit.

Having two additional companions now I had to change the formation manually. Only problem I have now is that when clicking on a door or exit icon, they tend to run around the icon a few times before using it. Even tried making the formation closer together (As per image) but still doing the same.

And lastly for those who get pinky cramps from having the pinky on the TAB button the whole time, I jammed a piece of paper between my Q and TAB buttons. Hello permanent toggle and bye pinky cramps. Just do not make the paper to small and waste 20 minutes game time trying to get it out (was not me, a friend suggested that. I do not have experience in this, but a tweezer works magic.... LMAO). Leave something to grab it by when you done playing. Windows tend to frown on keys that are permanently pressed..........Sad but true

 

[Frindis]

And lastly for those who get pinky cramps from having the pinky on the TAB button the whole time, I jammed a piece of paper between my Q and TAB buttons. Hello permanent toggle and bye pinky cramps. Just do not make the paper to small and waste 20 minutes game time trying to get it out (was not me, a friend suggested that. I do not have experience in this, but a tweezer works magic.... LMAO). Leave something to grab it by when you done playing. Windows tend to frown on keys that are permanently pressed..........Sad but true

You can also rebind your TAB key to the numerical key 1 on right side of your keyboard and then you press numlock + 1 whenever you want to have TAB permanently on. Then when you finish playing you press numlock + 1 again to toggle it off.

I used this trick in Diablo 3 whenever I had spells that did not have a cooldown time and where I could easily get mana back, making grinding the rifts (dungeons) much faster.

 

[Charagma]

Interesting fact. On my very first Character (Getting feet wet one) I never got to any mythical stages. Second character I got to Aeon's. (The save I lost). Third I picked Azata. Where I walked to the "trap" laboratory on Aeon's, I was teleported in Azata. Seems as if each has its own quests at different stages of the game (Trying to say that without sounding stupid). Aeons seems to have taken a lot longer to open the "trap" lab quest. Also, the streets section in Aeon's vs Azata is different. I have not spotted the "blue smoke" on the stairs with Azata whereas with Aeon's it was visible very early in starting with the citadel.

This makes me consider playing all the different mythical stages. Would be interesting to see what other differences there is. Added with Azata I now have an outdoor court, and the devil contract has not come yet.

Any tips on the crusade side of the game? I have two sets of troops (Lvl 9 and lvl 7) with their respective commanders. Unfortunately, even at lvl 7 a lvl 4 demon army wipes me clean. I am failing miserably on the crusade side of things. Tips and tricks would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Frindis]

I'm to slow of a leveler to help you there, you are way past me Not sure how far @Zloth progressed in game, but hopefully he got some tips and tricks up his sleeves or maybe someone else in forums have played it also?

 

[Zloth]

https://forums.pcgamer.com/media/users/charagma.506686/

That dragon looks skinny. Have you been giving it enough cookies??

This makes me consider playing all the different mythical stages. Would be interesting to see what other differences there is. Added with Azata I now have an outdoor court, and the devil contract has not come yet.

I did Azata, too. I needed those superpowers! Had a literal halo over my head, too. Well, most of the time...

Any tips on the crusade side of the game? I have two sets of troops (Lvl 9 and lvl 7) with their respective commanders. Unfortunately, even at lvl 7 a lvl 4 demon army wipes me clean. I am failing miserably on the crusade side of things. Tips and tricks would be greatly appreciated.

Ooof, it's hard to remember those. I remember not having many armies and I remember that some troops were far better than others, but I don't remember which.

They get upgrades according to what you've built in the various towns, though you might start out with no towns at all.

 

[Charagma]

Ooof, it's hard to remember those. I remember not having many armies and I remember that some troops were far better than others, but I don't remember which.

I switched on the automatic battles. Now 4 vs 4 etc are able to win. I might just be playing it wrong. With the automatic on I was able to get past the attack on Drezen and also now able to open up the map. Removed everything lvl 8 and lower so far with my main army and using the smaller one to skip around defending the forts. Will possibly have to create a few more.

Will at some point sit down and see where I am doing what wrong on the "chess" battles but for now I am able to go forward.

After all the playthrough attempts I was able to get two things right following Azata. Firstly got the Golden dragon to accept me (Will see what happens) and got the spider girl thingy (mug.....someting) to join me. I do not have a halo, I have green butterflies all around me and able to transform land. All over the areas there are old tree stumps that I am able to transform into "groves". Makes it all pretty but sofar do not know why I am able to do it.

Seems the further I go into the game the slower it gets. Bumped up the game speed and movements speed in toybox a few notches again last night. Also added the "no film grain" mod to spare some graphics resources. Originally was looking for something where I can downscale on the graphics side of things E.g. less rain, less dust, FX etc. Could however not find any mod (Apart for kingmaker which is not working on WOTR) that could do this. Also removed all the visuals on robes, hats etc. during ingame. Game is actually running very smooth now, but do not know for how long.

Did notice (before making the new changes) that with toybox, I can keybind the game speed and when the system started slowing down, by switching the toybox box speed on or off, the game seemed to speed up again.