Question Starfield Performance Concern

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Hi guys. I am having performance issues when trying to play Starfield. My laptop has an Nvidia RTX 3080 with 16GB VRAM. I tried playing several other games: Baldur's Gate 3 runs as expected, Skyrim SE runs fine with no issues or lag. Fallout 4 runs smooth too. I just now tried Jurassic World Evolution 2, and it is a stuttery mess also...

Update: I enabled Steam Overlay for Starfield, and had it show FPS, CPU, and GPU usage. In game, GPU usage was at 100%, but FPS was anywhere between 10-30. When in game Menu, GPU usage dripped to about 30%, but FPS was over 100, about 140-160. This is really weird as game was running fine yesterday. Help GREATLY appreciated :)
 
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Hi again guys. 4+ years with this laptop has come to an end. My laptop is making a weird hissing/staticy noice that only happens when it is plugged into a power source. I took it to Best Buy yesterday, and even the head tech there was stumpped. Since I ordered laptop from Xotic PC, and also that it was a custom build, the tech couldn't give me an estimate on cost to fix, or even that Best Buy could even fix it. At first, he thought it was a capacitor issue, that could cause laptop to catch fire, or even explode, but was then not sure as I told him that it has been plugged in for over 24 hours. At this point, my best option is to just get a new laptop. Going forward I will probably get it at a Retail Store (Best Buy, Walmart, etc.), and will definately see if I can get a warranty that would last longer than the 1 year warranty through Xotic PC. Hopefully prices won't go much higher, as I can only afford a little over $1k. Do you guys recommend going the Retail route? Any recommendations for a gaming laptop brand? Thoughts and help appreciated :)
 
Hi again guys. 4+ years with this laptop has come to an end. My laptop is making a weird hissing/staticy noice that only happens when it is plugged into a power source. I took it to Best Buy yesterday, and even the head tech there was stumpped. Since I ordered laptop from Xotic PC, and also that it was a custom build, the tech couldn't give me an estimate on cost to fix, or even that Best Buy could even fix it. At first, he thought it was a capacitor issue, that could cause laptop to catch fire, or even explode, but was then not sure as I told him that it has been plugged in for over 24 hours. At this point, my best option is to just get a new laptop. Going forward I will probably get it at a Retail Store (Best Buy, Walmart, etc.), and will definately see if I can get a warranty that would last longer than the 1 year warranty through Xotic PC. Hopefully prices won't go much higher, as I can only afford a little over $1k. Do you guys recommend going the Retail route? Any recommendations for a gaming laptop brand? Thoughts and help appreciated :)

Don't have any particular suggestions on retail, but it could just be coil whine or even a bad power adapter (the bit you plug into the wall). Dirty power from stuff like that can cause weird issues.

Just as an example, I have an old MSI laptop that when plugged in to a particular outlet in my house the touchpad misbehaves. Soon as you touch it, the mouse jumps all over the screen and randomly clicks. Plug it into a different outlet and everything is fine.

I would be shocked if your laptop is actually on the fritz, as a person that frequently buys and uses old hardware. Especially with the performance issues you're seeing, I'd be shocked if a new, good quality adapter didn't fix the issues you're having.
 
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Don't have any particular suggestions on retail, but it could just be coil whine or even a bad power adapter (the bit you plug into the wall). Dirty power from stuff like that can cause weird issues.

Just as an example, I have an old MSI laptop that when plugged in to a particular outlet in my house the touchpad misbehaves. Soon as you touch it, the mouse jumps all over the screen and randomly clicks. Plug it into a different outlet and everything is fine.

I would be shocked if your laptop is actually on the fritz, as a person that frequently buys and uses old hardware. Especially with the performance issues you're seeing, I'd be shocked if a new, good quality adapter didn't fix the issues you're having.
Hey. You think that it is just a bad power supply, and not the power connector inside the laptop or anything? What is coil whine? Is there a fix for that? I don't know if this is related to the power issue, but a lot of games that used to be decently playable are now a stuttery/laggy mess...
 
Hey. You think that it is just a bad power supply, and not the power connector inside the laptop or anything? What is coil whine? Is there a fix for that? I don't know if this is related to the power issue, but a lot of games that used to be decently playable are now a stuttery/laggy mess...

Coil whine is very common and normal. Remember, Best Buy is trying to sell you a new computer.


Though, based on what you're describing as games being a stuttery mess, it could also be as simple as your fans being clogged. Your PC will throttle itself and avoid spinning up its fans if it's not plugged in, which might explain the issue as well; when you plug it in, finally your graphics card and CPU are finally allowed to draw full power, so they spin up hard and thus the noise.

But again, it could also be a simple power supply issue; something like a bad capacitor or some other issue within the power supply itself. If I were troubleshooting this issue myself, I'd first start with the cheap and easy fixes that only cost you time:

1. Take off the bottom cover, use compressed air to blow out the fans, blow out the vents on the bottom cover and also blow out the keyboard, as there are often intake holes under the keyboard.

2. When you game, make sure you have airflow under your laptop. This can be as simple as propping up the back of the machine with a book that won't cover the vents on the bottom. CPU's and graphics cards need air and the constraints of a laptop case don't often allow that. I primarily game on my laptop and I have a little support thing I can put under the rear of it to prop it up when I'm gaming. This makes a noticeable difference in temps and performance.
Here's some data of mine I took down, testing my laptop with Nothing under it, a whole laptop cooling pad and just the 3d Printed Riser, testing with 3dMark

Nothing
CPU
Average - 79*c
Max - 95*c

GPU
Average - 76.8*c
Max - 84.1*c

Cooler

CPU
Average - 73.2*c
Max - 94*c

GPU
Average - 71*c
Max - 78.6*c

Riser
CPU
Average - 74.3*c
Max - 95*c

GPU
Average - 72*c
Max - 79.8*c

When your PC gets hot, it will throttle it's power down to save itself, which you'll notice as games performing significantly worse.

3. UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS. Drivers sometimes break, I experienced this relatively recently myself with my laptop. My performance tanked and I had no idea why; I did a bunch of testing and was getting results that were significantly worse than when I bought the PC (Which was already 4-years old at my time of purchase). Turns out, my drivers broke somehow. After installing new drivers, my PC went right back to where it was supposed to be. So check for GPU drivers from Nvidia (assuming that's where your card is from), go to the manufacturer website for your PC and find any driver updates you can on there. Look for BIOS updates as well, all of it is important.

4. Right click on your desktop and find Nvidia Control Panel. Poke through there, look for the games you're playing where your performance is worse. Make sure on each of those games you have "High Performance Nvidia Processor" selected and not "Integrated Graphics". Your Integrated Graphics are no slouch, but your Nvidia GPU is better. I could see a game auto selecting the integrated ones and thus the performance issues (you can sometimes see this in a games options).

5. MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN HIGH PERFORMANCE MODE IN WINDOWS. See the little battery icon in the lower right corner? Click that, make sure Energy Saver isn't on. After that, right click it and go to "Power and Sleep Settings" in that new window look for "Power Mode" and make sure it's selected as "Best Performance", if it's anything but, your PC won't be getting all the juice it can be.

6. Reinstall Windows. Make sure you've got any important data backed-up and then hit Windows key on your keyboard and type "Reset" (sans quotes) and access Reset This PC. Follow the on screen commands, I recommend a full reset and start and square one. You will need to redownload all your games, drivers, etc, but this will give you a fresh start.

6. If none of this works, find a good quality adapter for your PC. Assuming the PC is still charging, your charging port has a connection and probably isn't broken. Plug in the new one and see how things go.

It's not unheard of that your laptop is broken, I don't want to give you that impression. Consumer grade hardware has come a long way in the years since I've been buying gaming laptops, but it can absolutely still happen. That said, I think it's worth it to do all these troubleshooting tips before you drop a bunch of money on a brand new machine.

Good luck. You can do this.

Edit: I should also say that if none of this works and you decide to go with a new machine, Lenovo LOQ (I think that's the brand?) is generally well regarded for robustness and longevity, as well as MSI. @Zed Clampet may also have more input on that.
 
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Without hearing the noise, its hard to say if its coil whine.

coil whine is a common occurrence in electronic devices and is not a cause for concern. While it may be noticeable at times, especially in high-power components, it does not indicate any underlying hardware issues.



it shouldn't cause stuttering, its just a sound.
 
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Hi again guys. I took my laptop to both Best Buy, and a local repair shop. Both were unable to fix the issues. Best Buy thought it was electrical, and the local repair shop looked up my laptop, and they don't even make or sell parts for it anymore. I really wish this could be fixed, as I won't be able to get a new laptop till later this year sometime. As far as the weird sound goes, it only occurs when laptop is plugged in, and turned ON. If it is just plugged in for charging and turned off, the noise/sound isn't there...
 
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Get a new laptop. Seems to be the best solution. Dont get rid of the old one, but if your laptop is 4+ years old and your wracking up all this money and time spent fixing it, you can move on.
Thanks for the thought and info! It may be a little bit before I can afford a new laptop, looking at around $1k price range. I have a couple questions:

- The laptops I am looking at don't have much storage, at or around 1TB. My current laptop has 2x 4TB SSDs. My question is, are SSDs mostly swappable? Do they vary much in actual size, regardless of storage capacity? I am wondering if I can put one of my 4TB SSDs in a new laptop.

- What should I consider when looking at Graphics? Does speed/type matter more than VRAM capacity? Several laptops I am looking at are the Nvidia GeForce RTX 5000 series, but are at 8GB VRAM.

Thoughts and help appreciated :)
 
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Coil whine is very common and normal. Remember, Best Buy is trying to sell you a new computer.


Though, based on what you're describing as games being a stuttery mess, it could also be as simple as your fans being clogged. Your PC will throttle itself and avoid spinning up its fans if it's not plugged in, which might explain the issue as well; when you plug it in, finally your graphics card and CPU are finally allowed to draw full power, so they spin up hard and thus the noise.

But again, it could also be a simple power supply issue; something like a bad capacitor or some other issue within the power supply itself. If I were troubleshooting this issue myself, I'd first start with the cheap and easy fixes that only cost you time:

1. Take off the bottom cover, use compressed air to blow out the fans, blow out the vents on the bottom cover and also blow out the keyboard, as there are often intake holes under the keyboard.

2. When you game, make sure you have airflow under your laptop. This can be as simple as propping up the back of the machine with a book that won't cover the vents on the bottom. CPU's and graphics cards need air and the constraints of a laptop case don't often allow that. I primarily game on my laptop and I have a little support thing I can put under the rear of it to prop it up when I'm gaming. This makes a noticeable difference in temps and performance.
Here's some data of mine I took down, testing my laptop with Nothing under it, a whole laptop cooling pad and just the 3d Printed Riser, testing with 3dMark

Nothing
CPU
Average - 79*c
Max - 95*c

GPU
Average - 76.8*c
Max - 84.1*c

Cooler

CPU
Average - 73.2*c
Max - 94*c

GPU
Average - 71*c
Max - 78.6*c

Riser
CPU
Average - 74.3*c
Max - 95*c

GPU
Average - 72*c
Max - 79.8*c

When your PC gets hot, it will throttle it's power down to save itself, which you'll notice as games performing significantly worse.

3. UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS. Drivers sometimes break, I experienced this relatively recently myself with my laptop. My performance tanked and I had no idea why; I did a bunch of testing and was getting results that were significantly worse than when I bought the PC (Which was already 4-years old at my time of purchase). Turns out, my drivers broke somehow. After installing new drivers, my PC went right back to where it was supposed to be. So check for GPU drivers from Nvidia (assuming that's where your card is from), go to the manufacturer website for your PC and find any driver updates you can on there. Look for BIOS updates as well, all of it is important.

4. Right click on your desktop and find Nvidia Control Panel. Poke through there, look for the games you're playing where your performance is worse. Make sure on each of those games you have "High Performance Nvidia Processor" selected and not "Integrated Graphics". Your Integrated Graphics are no slouch, but your Nvidia GPU is better. I could see a game auto selecting the integrated ones and thus the performance issues (you can sometimes see this in a games options).

5. MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN HIGH PERFORMANCE MODE IN WINDOWS. See the little battery icon in the lower right corner? Click that, make sure Energy Saver isn't on. After that, right click it and go to "Power and Sleep Settings" in that new window look for "Power Mode" and make sure it's selected as "Best Performance", if it's anything but, your PC won't be getting all the juice it can be.

6. Reinstall Windows. Make sure you've got any important data backed-up and then hit Windows key on your keyboard and type "Reset" (sans quotes) and access Reset This PC. Follow the on screen commands, I recommend a full reset and start and square one. You will need to redownload all your games, drivers, etc, but this will give you a fresh start.

6. If none of this works, find a good quality adapter for your PC. Assuming the PC is still charging, your charging port has a connection and probably isn't broken. Plug in the new one and see how things go.

It's not unheard of that your laptop is broken, I don't want to give you that impression. Consumer grade hardware has come a long way in the years since I've been buying gaming laptops, but it can absolutely still happen. That said, I think it's worth it to do all these troubleshooting tips before you drop a bunch of money on a brand new machine.

Good luck. You can do this.

Edit: I should also say that if none of this works and you decide to go with a new machine, Lenovo LOQ (I think that's the brand?) is generally well regarded for robustness and longevity, as well as MSI. @Zed Clampet may also have more input on that.
Hey. I don't know what is causing the weird sound, or the severe game performance degradation. I just can't play games like I used to, but the laptop is still usable as a non gaming laptop. Also, I am still able to charge the laptop using the power adapter. As far as the weird sound goes, it only occurs when laptop is plugged in, and turned ON. If it is just plugged in for charging and turned off, the noise/sound isn't there... What do you think is wrong with my computer? Should I get a new power adapter? Further thoughts and help appreciated :)
 
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