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[Colif]

Ram clearance on air cooler is the reason I chose mine. The ram sticks in the black case are really tall and finding an air cooler that went over them and under the glass was a challenge. I didn't want to replace ram so instead chose a cooler that has no front fan at all. Instead, its got a rear fan that is too close to any rear case fans, and caused odd noises until I removed them

I think its dusty as its going grey... as is the glass near gpu

I might replace the rear 120mm fan next time with a spare Noctua I bought years ago. Not that I can hear it now.

There is a 140mm fan under the black section.

Too bad Deepcool are blocked for sale in USA.

Shame they don't make a white version of this

ASSASSIN IV VC VISION - DeepCool

DeepCool's flagship air cooler series gets a drastic addition in the form of the ASSASSIN IV VC VISION. The cooling capacity gets a nice bump with the inclusion of a vapor chamber at the base that pushes the TDP to 300W! The upgrades don't stop there, as a high-end quad-segmented digital display...

www.deepcool.com

There are cheaper options but I didn't care, I like what it looks like.

 

[neogunhero]

The pill bottle works good, I promise!🤣

Closer inspection, my CPU cool just barely clears the RAM. I don’t think it’s an issue, it’s not very dusty under there at all and everything still works and stays cool.

 

[Colif]

My XFX stand would have lined up with a fan underneath and I did think of moving the fan, but instead I chose an alternative. Moving fans would have disturbed air pattern and putting a fan over PSU wouldn't have been as effective. The transparent stand is magnetic and sits on a ledge next to the fan, can almost not see it any more. Better choice than the black stand I had from 7900 XT

I read its better to hold card up between fans 2 and 3 so that is why mine isn't at end of card. Probably not so bad on a 2 fan card. Not as heavy and its probably unlikely to sag

it’s not very dusty under there at all and everything still works and stays cool.

its unlikely to get dusty under the CPU cooler given the fan air would blow down in there from the edges of the heat sink or sides of the fans

Under my air cooler is the heat sink for my nvme and all the extra air from my middle fan can exhaust over it and cool the the vrm area. Even without a rear exhaust I keep vrm cool - most of the rear fans air probably goes over it and having 5 intake fans means I have plenty of air flowing through case.

front fans and air cooler look after CPU, the other two fans just on PCH for now but might change once I start playing games.

Starting to like having my CPU temp showing on the multi section display on motherboard, nice to see at a glance what PC is doing.

 

[neogunhero]

Cleaned the PC really good yesterday. Even cleaned the drives a bit. Tons of games installed that I haven't played in well over 5-6 months or more. I have a total of 3.5TB, only using about 600GB total of it all. I have all this space, not sure why I felt the need to make more. I guess it annoys me a bit having a large game take up space that I'm not even playing.

GPU idle temp got down to 25C last night, CPU got to 30C. Still amazed how cool this gets.

its unlikely to get dusty under the CPU cooler given the fan air would blow down in there from the edges of the heat sink or sides of the fans

I was mainly thinking if the cooler being so close to the RAM would cause lots of heat. It doesn't, though it's probably not the most ideal. There's maybe a 1-2mm gap between bottom of cooler and top of RAM stick. RAM also has a heatshield so maybe that helps. If anything, the heat rising from the RAM would be sucked in by the CPU cooler and blown out as cool air anyways. CPU hasn't reached 60C in a long time as far as I can tell, so still within fully acceptable temp range. If it hit 60C regularly I'd be more concerned on how to reduce temps.

 

[Colif]

I guess it annoys me a bit having a large game take up space that I'm not even playing.

I used to have really slow internet, so downloading a game again would take time. So I kept games on my playstation that I never played, mainly as the time taken to get them back was a bigger barrier.

I have lots of space now but still removed some games I don't play. But those were xbox for windows games and I am tempted to just stop subscription to that.

CPU hasn't reached 60C in a long time as far as I can tell, so still within fully acceptable temp range. If it hit 60C regularly I'd be more concerned on how to reduce temps.

I guess you mean cores but its unclear. My CPU Cores only hit 60 at start up, they normally run at 33c at idle. I could actually reduce that temp but I have my air cooler set to silent mode, not performance. Difference is 300rpm on the max speed of fans. 60c isn't really hot anyway and only happens at start up.

Package ranges from 44 to 50c, its almost always warmer than cores unless I run a Cinebench test.

The ram really doesn't get hot. mine runs at 42c, and the CPU is already warmer than that. So its not going to be noticeable, air from intake fans would cool it a little (ignores your hdd cages)

 

[Colif]

GPU idle temp got down to 25C last night, CPU got to 30C. Still amazed how cool this gets.

much of it depends on your ambient temps. We are still in summer but its the end so lowest I get is about 15c at night... in a few months that will be max for the day and my temps at night when heater is off will be lower. New insulation in house means I don't know what to expect.

Think lowest I seen on this CPU was about 19c last year. A screen shot from last year shows System 1 (which is motherboard temp) as 19c when best I can do now is 33c
GPU only 2 months old and it has been down to about 33c. Its operating range during day is 33 to 40 max. That is just running you tube
Seems in Crimson Desert GPU hits about 79c in the menu. but thats with everything on Ultra at 119fps (I didn't look at what resolution) - compiling shaders may have helped

 

[neogunhero]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-releases-fsr-sdk-2-2-with-fsr-upscaling-4-1-and-fsr-ray-regeneration-1-1

Toughest part about having an AMD GPU now is AMD's unwillingness to make FSR more compatible with a larger array of games and hardware. The FSR 4.1 leak we saw last week clearly proved it was capable of running on RDNA 2 and 3 cards with limitations. People would much rather have the option to use it with those limitations than be locked out of it entirely. Because of AMD's stance on locking FSR 4 and 4.1 to RX 9000 series GPUs only means less devs will be wanting to implement it in their games. Not to mention lack of Vulkan support which has been a problem since FSR 1.

FSR 4.1 works and looks fantastic on Crimson Desert, and I wish more people could use it. Even though I'm able to take advantage of these features, it still sours the whole community knowing AMD is locking out older cards from using it when it's been proven so many times that they are capable.

 

[Colif]

oughest part about having an AMD GPU now is AMD's unwillingness to make FSR more compatible with a larger array of games and hardware. The FSR 4.1 leak we saw last week clearly proved it was capable of running on RDNA 2 and 3 cards with limitations. People would much rather have the option to use it with those limitations than be locked out of it entirely. Because of AMD's stance on locking FSR 4 and 4.1 to RX 9000 series GPUs only means less devs will be wanting to implement it in their games. Not to mention lack of Vulkan support which has been a problem since FSR 1.

saw that linked last night.

Perhaps it was more important to release 4.1 first since to AMD, you can still buy those cards. People who have older cards aren't as important to support.

 

[neogunhero]

saw that linked last night.

Perhaps it was more important to release 4.1 first since to AMD, you can still buy those cards. People who have older cards aren't as important to support.

Makes sense from a business standpoint but still leaves behind a lot of their customer base. At least Nvidia has the decency to put DLSS on a few generations older GPUs.

The primary thing that disappoints me is the lack of dev support. Why would they support it if it takes time and resources to implement, and only a small handful of gamers can actually use the tech? Also what's up with lack of Vulkan support? I don't know how many games run on DX12 vs Vulkan, but there are many popular games using Vulkan that could really use the FSR support.

 

[Colif]

Why would they support it if it takes time and resources to implement, and only a small handful of gamers can actually use the tech?

Maybe on PC but the two main consoles both use AMD so making games that use FSR is mostly a given. Just need to port them to PC. The newer consoles are based on custom versions of the next AMD cards. Or what will be in them.

I don't know how many games run on DX12 vs Vulkan

430 DX 12 games, its more difficult to know about Vulkans numbers as its cross platform and can be on Linux and Android (same thing)

https://www.g2a.com/news/features/guide/peak-vulkan-vs-dx12-full-comparison-and-best-settings-guide/

AMD add support for Vulkan each driver but I don't have any inside knowledge as to why there are so few.

 

[neogunhero]

AMD add support for Vulkan each driver but I don't have any inside knowledge as to why there are so few.

I was incorrect in my last post, apparently all version of FSR prior to 4 support Vulkan, it's just FSR 4 and beyond that do not.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCcfsBFFnI

• Lack of driver rollback, using FSR in driver forces 4.1 upgrade
• No RDNA 2/3 support on PC when Sony confirmed PSSR is the same tech as FSR Redstone and that it works on their RDNA 2 chips
• Still lacking detail in motion compared to DLSS 4.5
• No Vulkan support
• OptiScaler doing the work AMD won't
• Billions of dollars in revenue generated every year, massive team of software engineers who can do this

What is AMD doing?

 

[neogunhero]

https://videocardz.com/newz/g-skill-showcases-ddr5-10000-memory-speed-on-core-ultra-7-270k-plus

Warp-speed RAM coming to latest Intel chips

Too bad they'll be like, a kajillion dollars

XMP 3.0 is very impressive

 

[Colif]

has to be some advantage to forcing people to buy a new motherboard for every CPU

I don't mind being slower, its cheaper to use same MB for two or more CPU.... and the same ram 😀

Too bad they'll be like, a kajillion dollars

Intel don't care about their pay pigs. their systems always more expensive than AMD... When I had money to burn I could afford Intel, now I just stick to AMD. Same applies to Nvidia GPU as well.

I don't really care about what AMD don't support below my current card. 7000 series support would be nice though... just in case I need to use my spare card.

What is AMD doing?

GPU isn't the main priority of them, I mean they make CPU and APU as well. Unlike Nvidia they didn't start as a GPU company. They bought ATI and maybe always been playing catch up.

If you want a fair comparison, compare what Intel GPU are like now... even less support.

Ryzen 9 9950x3dx2 mentioned in a press release by Asrock so its not far away, just to make the gap bigger again.

 

[neogunhero]

I don't mind being slower, its cheaper to use same MB for two or more CPU.... and the same ram 😀

Best part about having AMD CPUs, no need to constantly upgrade board. I've had this same mobo for nearly 8 years now, started with a Ryzen 1600X, now on 5700X. 8 years for a motherboard is a damn good deal if I say so myself. Too bad upgrading doesn't seem like an option anymore. I was thinking about buying a AM5 motherboard and CPU combo, those are still fairly reasonable, and hold onto it while hoping for cheaper RAM prices.

Actually, this doesn't seem that unreasonable: https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4855390

Individual parts would be around $581, this combo deal is only $430. Motherboard is a bit smaller, less USB ports, but faster M2 slots and of course DDR5 support. CPU would be a minor downgrade in terms of cores and clock speeds, but for gaming the 9600X actually beats it, sometimes very significantly.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LewNEWXEY80


Not sure why I'm even getting into this, this is not something I can do anytime soon lol. But good to know that there are still affordable routes to an upgrade. Lets hope this stays at a decent price for a while, not sure when I'll do an upgrade. PSU is still my next priority. But a new controller does sound good... PC gaming is an expensive hobby.

GPU isn't the main priority of them, I mean they make CPU and APU as well. Unlike Nvidia they didn't start as a GPU company. They bought ATI and maybe always been playing catch up.

I do keep forgetting that. AMD started only making CPUs. I think I mentioned this in a General Games Discussion a few months back, but I had no idea how many graphics manufacturers there were in the 90s. Some counts suggest upwards of over 75 different companies making computer graphics hardware worldwide back then. Now we're down to 3 major players, with a couple of smaller or more "specialized" companies like Qualcomm. Qualcomm is aiming for ARM graphics, while a few startups in China have been making some of their own PC graphics hardware such as Moore Threads. Let's hope some more competition starts propping up on the main stage.