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[Colif]

I used same case maker for 2 PC in a row and the last PC would have used them too had it been easy to find cases in 2020. I can't afford the case I want from them now anyway. It be overkill for my pc.

H x W x D
16.06" x 7.28" x 17.52" (Front Bezel Excluded)
4079 x 1849 x 3942 (all in mm - you might want to confirm I converted it right)

https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-11-147-237

I would guess you after width, but measuring outside would sure wittle it down.

I think this is for the entire case not just inside.

The fact it excludes the bezel for one makes me think its internal.

Amazon shows these dimensions
44.5 x 20.98 x 40.79 cm; 5.1 kg
which could be external

https://www.amazon.com.au/Rosewill-Gaming-Tower-Computer-Challenger/dp/B00BV31QU8

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/tFTrxr/rosewill-case-challengers

Doesn't have any measurements

 

[Colif]

the difference between a 9800x3d and a 9950x3d are probably not worth the price to me. If you do more than game, then yes. If you stream, then Yes... but I see what 9900x3d is like when they reveal it.

time passes

As I suspected, it splits the difference. Now 3 x3d chips sit at top of majority of game charts.

 

[Colif]

8 more cores for $350 might be a bargain actually.

I will have to think about it more when I am closer to buying PC

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZtdjqH

 

[neogunhero]

PC cooling improvements continue. Picked up a new CPU cooler, a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3 edition. The V1 is the most popular pick on Amazon, and it's the specific one that Gamer's Nexus and other outlets gave great reviews to. The changes between each version is fairly small and incremental that I suppose that's the reason why I can't find much info on the V3. For context, V1 came out Jan 2022, V3 came out just last November.

As far as I understand it, it's got slightly better fans and it uses the 5th generation of their heat pipe technology (V1 used gen3), which according to Thermalright, "the heat dissipation effect is improved". Truly though, anything would be an improvement over my current cooler. Air coolers have improved so much in just the past few years, so I'm excited to get something better.

My mind works in a way that these very minor incremental improvements make a world of difference in my decision making. They've worked on improving it, and thought the improvements were good enough to release as it's own new product, so it's got to be better, right? I just hope there aren't issues that would be easier to solve with a more popular product than this newer version of it, or that this new version has some unknown defects not yet discovered. Good thing is that this new version was actually a few dollars cheaper ($38 for V1, $33 for V3), and it had next day shipping which the original did not. I'll be busy this weekend, so I appreciate the faster delivery. Anyways it seemed like a win-win to me in most regards.

I also picked up a Noctua Redux NF-S12B. Cheaper version of the NF-S12A, but still their top picks for airflow capacity. This new fan will replace my rear exhaust which has a cheap budget fan stuck in it. After this, all my case fans will be Noctua branded. Boujee!

I also picked up some Noctua 4-pin PWM splitters. The CPU cooler will need two connections, so I had to get a splitter anyways. This set comes with three splitters, so I figured I would try to figure out how I can use them to tidy up my cable spaghetti a bit more.

 

[Colif]

9900x3d is essentially 2 x 6 cores, one with 3d cache and one without.
Explains why its performance is lower than the other 2.
Just like the 9070 its there to make you think the extra cost of the 9950x3d really isn't that big. It is better value than the 9900x3d is. Those 4 extra cores really do make a difference

Cooling is about only concern I have with a 9950x3d. I will look at how air coolers apart from the Best Noctua cope with its load. I prefer not to have Brown fans in my White build. I feel people who do that in white cases should be shot... shame Noctua don't have white fans. Took enough just to get them to make Black ones I guess.

I thought about that cooler... for a few hours
I went through all their coolers trying to find the best one. I don't recall what result was.

All of the fans I can see are Noctua's, does that count?

Seems they are dusty. Front really didn't want to come off tonight.

I have extra power cables for Noctua fans as well as the rubber mounting spikes

About only thing I don't have is splitters but I have a fan hub in case so I just used it. The previous fans either only used one cable to power all the fans or used a cable passthrough system so only one needed to plug into motherboard. Alas, my current 3 use 3 headers on Hub but then I don't need any more.

Next motherboard will have 8 fan headers, and case will come with a 5 fan PWM hub, so the problem I had with fan headers in this case will soon not exist at all. Well, soon being 5 months or so.

 

[neogunhero]

Next motherboard will have 8 fan headers,

My current mobo only has three!

I will look at how air coolers apart from the Best Noctua cope with its load. I prefer not to have Brown fans in my White build. I feel people who do that in white cases should be shot... shame Noctua don't have white fans. Took enough just to get them to make Black ones I guess.

Makes you wonder why they don’t have other colors. I understand the brown and tan is their signature look, that they put performance over looks, and perhaps their fans are harder to mass produce than others, but their customers have been begging for new colors. The Redux line is all grey, but they’re not the same as their normal colored fans or black ones, so I can see someone sacrificing performance for looks. I have all Redux line fans from them just because they’re cheaper and work just fine, much better than bargain bin fans. Maybe it has something to do with the color dye causing issues with the fans, not meeting their astronomical standards.

 

[Colif]

current board has 2 system fan headers and 2 for CPU purposes (one extra for a pump)

My next board has 6 system fan headers + 2 for CPU like above.
(if I weaken and get a lower value MB it comes with 4 fan headers I think but fan headers aren't only reason I picked the board)
next case has 6 fans but some can go on the fan hub.
plan on putting front 3 x 140mm fans on the hub
run the bottom 2 x 120mm fans off motherboard
rear fan needs to run off motherboard as well
CPU has its own headers

Noctua removed white fans from their roadmap last year - link
Their best air cooler only comes with the brown fans and you can't buy replacement fans for it that aren't brown yet, so even if I wanted black fans I can't. You want the best, you pay with your eyes.

My air cooler isn't bad, it is equal to yours in some tests and beats it in vrm tests.

its price is its biggest weakness and maybe the fans can be noisy, but I don't find them that bad on current CPU.
The only other concern at time of making GN video was availability of a 140mm fan replacement but I think this could be it

FD14 - DeepCool

The new DeepCool FD14 performance fans are the next evolution of the popular FK120 cooling fans, but enlarged for quiet performance and to add compatibility to hardware that supports 140mm fans. Revamped with a clean daisy chain cable and secure connectors, as well as a more durable and...

www.deepcool.com

If I did need one, I would confirm it first.

 

[Colif]

Just worked out I had mistakenly included the Peerless Assassin in my future build, and not the Deepcool Assassin 4.
I had been wondering why the price was still $65, I thought it was a special offer.
I wouldn't have accidentally bought the wrong one, I hope I would have noticed before then.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/F9ZRC8

 

[Colif]

I ran an AV scan on PC just before and while it showed my max temp during the run was 89.1c, I don't recall seeing that while I was watching HWINFO.

The core temp is 89.1, yet the Package max is 89c, which is odd to me as I normally have a 10c gap between core temp and package, not a -.1c difference in opposite direction. Unsure how the cores were hotter than the actual exterior of the CPU

Core 2 was the hottest and it is/was one of the preferred cores used by scan.

I knew an AV scan would make it warm, as most days a short scan will cause CPU to reach 77c. Doing entire PC was just asking for it. It only took 30 minutes to scan them all though.

I can remember running bitdefender full scan on my I5 4690K and causing CPU to reach max usage. It really didn't like scanning my SSD. An nvme wouldn't have made it any difference really...
It essentially reduced PC down to something I watched until scan ended... and in summer it sure warmed room up. And it took 2 hours or so to scan the drives I had then... less space than I have now.
At least scans now only use 70% of the CPU. And I can do other things while they run.

 

[Colif]

TIL the 9950x3d runs cooler under load than the 9800x3d does
7c cooler under load and almost identical in games
I expect its fact it has 2 ccd and only one is used in gaming, whereas other times it can spread heat around more

That makes me more likely to buy it now... just need to wait to have the money, and well, they all sold out here currently so waiting for another is also part of it

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D Review - Great for Gaming and Productivity

The new AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D brings Zen 5 with 3D V-Cache to the high-end. This new $700 flagship offers the best application performance, beating even the 9950X, and at the same time you get a fantastic gaming experience that's better than any other non-X3D processor on the market.

www.techpowerup.com

Had been thinking about a 9900x3d but now I won't bother.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

If its just for games why would you want the slower CPU that produces more heat and costs a lot more?

 

[Colif]

If its just for games why would you want the slower CPU that produces more heat and costs a lot more?

What CPU are you refering to?
9950x3d is cooler than my current CPU, and the 9800x3d
Its runs up to 5.7ghz which isn't light speed like intel but it beats their CPU in most applications, especially games
Having a CPU that can do both games and anything else, is more appealing to me than just a gaming GPU. As I don't really play that many games at the moment. Looks at Titan Quest 2... still coming soon.

Something seems off with this picture

An IGPU don't count as gaming GPU, sorry... maybe if they used a G model I let them maybe live.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

https://imgur.com/a/5zGel4W

View: https://imgur.com/a/5zGel4W

https://imgur.com/a/KH1HdjG

View: https://imgur.com/a/KH1HdjG



9800X3d runs cooler and is a little faster according to TPU? Edit because I grabbed the application chart by mistake.

 

[Colif]

9800X3d runs cooler and is a little faster according to TPU? E

They are even in a way, the 9800x3d is cooler in games but not under load.
Under load the 9800x3d is 9c warmer than the 9950x3d, whereas in games the 9800x3d is 7c cooler

9950x3d runs at 5.7ghz max
9800x3d runs at 5.2ghz max

If all I did was play games, then yes, the 9800x3d makes more sense. But in recent years I haven't really played that many. Still half way through my course so even if Titan Quest 2 was out, I might not have time to play it.

its funny when comparison sites don't have the CPU you trying to compare yet.
I think Userbenchmark are just ignoring it all together.

A more "realistic" comparison from where I am coming from

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_9_9950x3d-vs-amd_ryzen_7_5800x3d

its wrong in one field, the thermal max is 95c, not 89c.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

They are even in a way, the 9800x3d is cooler in games but not under load.
Under load the 9800x3d is 9c warmer than the 9950x3d, whereas in games the 9800x3d is 7c cooler

9950x3d runs at 5.7ghz max
9800x3d runs at 5.2ghz max

If all I did was play games, then yes, the 9800x3d makes more sense. But in recent years I haven't really played that many. Still half way through my course so even if Titan Quest 2 was out, I might not have time to play it.

its funny when comparison sites don't have the CPU you trying to compare yet.
I think Userbenchmark are just ignoring it all together.

A more "realistic" comparison from where I am coming from

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_9_9950x3d-vs-amd_ryzen_7_5800x3d

its wrong in one field, the thermal max is 95c, not 89c.

I think youre confusing temperature with heat. If I have a 1m2 radiator in my room and put a thermometer on it and it reads 60C, it isnt outputting the same amount of heat as my 2m2 radiator next to it at the same surface temp of 60C. Heat output is measured in Watts, temperature is measured in Centigrade or Fahrenheit. As I understand it, the conversion of power to heat is almost 100% therefore power used is equivalent to the amount of heat that is generated.

The 9950X is outputting a lot more heat than the 9800X3D in almost all applications and games.

https://imgur.com/a/o2r2zHJ

View: https://imgur.com/a/o2r2zHJ


Imagine a RTX 5090 running a game at 90C vs a GTX 1050 Ti at the same temperature. Theres a ton more heat getting into the room from the 5090 because its using like 5 times more power, even if the temperature on the chip is the same.

 

[Colif]

You can change that by running it in Eco mode which reduces its TDP from 170 to 105w and makes it still run slower but cooler.

On above it uses 7watts more than my CPU with twice as many cores active.

The difference in game performance is there but not that big considering how much power its drawing... ie heat its creating.

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D Review: The Best High-End CPU

AMD's Ryzen 7 9800X3D has been a massive hit with gamers. Now, AMD is back with the Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D, aiming to deliver both top-tier...

www.techspot.com

If I compared the same charts on TPU for the 5800x3d, I see it runs about the same under load and I know how warm this room can get with it

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review - The Magic of 3D V-Cache

The AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D is the company's new flagship gaming processor. It introduces 3D V-Cache, a dedicated piece of silicon with additional L3 capacity. In our review, we're testing how much the larger cache can help intensive gaming workloads and applications and compare it to the Intel Core...

www.techpowerup.com

Some of these are unanswerable without actually trying.
I feel the core size difference between my 5800x3d at 7nm and the 9950x3d at 4nm has some effect on it being cooler than mine.

All the Techspot charts show the gain I will get going from now to then... wake me up in a few months
I need to look into PBO stuff as well.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

Theyre both very strong processors, I'm sure either would do everything you need

 

[Colif]

So PBO2 is overclocking... trying to figure out PBO Offsets now, they seem to let you use less voltage for the same frequency, so you can get more speed but I am looking at it to keep beast tamed.

I'm back with AMD but been a while - Understanding PBO?

After 10 years of using Intel I've gone back to AMD...... Ryzen 5 7600 ASUS TUF Gaming B650-Plus Wifi 32GB Corsair 6000Mhz CL36 Now the last AMD CPU I owned didn't have any of this fancy PBO stuff and was just 'raise multiplier and voltage until your CPU or Cooling maxed out and call it...

www.overclock.net

might have to bug people on Tom's lol.

 

[Colif]

Shame they released this one day later

I worked out that the 9950x3d costs $1279 here but if I buy it from place I bought the lian li fans, I can apply a $245 credit to it and get it for only $130 more than the 9800x3d. 8 more cores for $130 is reasonable price to pay.

 

[neogunhero]

Almost done with my cooling journey. My Arctic Thin fan is coming in the mail today, I will be putting that above the CPU cooler in the top exhaust. I just hope that it actually fits, it is a good 15mm thinner than the fans on the CPU cooler, so it should provide good enough clearance.

I think I should have gotten a smaller CPU cooler... the first intake fan sits slightly too tall as it rests on top of one of the RAM sticks. Perhaps I should remove the heatsink off the RAM? The fan sits maybe just a few mm too high, so I hope that does not cause issue. I don't care at all about acoustics as I near always have fans running in the house. I just hope its not causing issues with the cooler, but however my testing shows it is running cooler. At least it mounted to mobo just fine, no issue. Just need to put the top exhaust fan on and things should be all good from here.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

Almost done with my cooling journey. My Arctic Thin fan is coming in the mail today, I will be putting that above the CPU cooler in the top exhaust. I just hope that it actually fits, it is a good 15mm thinner than the fans on the CPU cooler, so it should provide good enough clearance.

I think I should have gotten a smaller CPU cooler... the first intake fan sits slightly too tall as it rests on top of one of the RAM sticks. Perhaps I should remove the heatsink off the RAM? The fan sits maybe just a few mm too high, so I hope that does not cause issue. I don't care at all about acoustics as I near always have fans running in the house. I just hope its not causing issues with the cooler, but however my testing shows it is running cooler. At least it mounted to mobo just fine, no issue. Just need to put the top exhaust fan on and things should be all good from here.

I bet itll be fine. Like I said earlier Ive been running the front fan on my coolers resting up a cm for years with no issue. Taking off the RAM heatspreader means fiddling around with a heat gun, not worth it IMO.

 

[Colif]

Fan ram clearance is why I paid an extra 100 on top of the cost of your cooler to get mine. Moving the first fan up to clear the ram is pretty much necessary in all 2 fan tower coolers that have a front fan. Unless you have really low ram...

As it stands, my ram in this system is so tall that I couldn't raise the 1st fan high enough to also be inside case... as the side glass starts to be a problem. The extra cost of my cooler is offset by not needing to buy new ram to fit it in my case.

There are other choices, not all twin tower coolers have two fans, some only have the one inbetween. But for some reason I didn't look at those. I may have had no one mentioned Deepcool... Noctua have a few choices

NH-D15S chromax.black

The NH-D15S chromax.black is an all-black version of Noctua’s award-winning NH-D15S premium-quality quiet CPU cooler. Thanks to the same asymmetrical dual-tower heatsink design and single NF-A15 PWM fan, it stays true to the NH-D15S’s successful formula of fusing dual-tower performance with...

noctua.at

Thew NH D15 is two fans, Youtube gets them mixed together.

Ram in my next PC would actually fit under other coolers as I didn't care about rgb when choosing it, more the sticks color. But I will still get a Deepcool Assassin 4 in it as I like look of the cube and once summer starts to fade here, I won't ever hear it in my current PC.
White cube in new PC, Black in current.

IF Noctua made white fans - which they won't - I would maybe look at Noctua coolers but in an almost white system they basically off the list. Luckily case comes with 6 white fans now.

reducing the power limit on the 9950x3d can make any fan possible

Not sure how much we will have to nerf mine but well, I won't have it for 4 months or so. So I need to forget about it until then.

 

[neogunhero]

The slim fan came in and it worked perfectly for a top exhaust fan above my cooler. Didn’t even need to remove the cooler, I was able to slide it in to make it fit. The fan is just less than half the size of the cooler fans, so it’s really thin. After playing for two hours of Split Fiction on ultra last night, my CPU hit a max temp of 47c, GPU hit 61c.

 

[Colif]

Paranoid is when you hear an unknown noise and auto assume its the PC - I been good recently and auto assuming noises aren't PC... but I got caught tonight. I had a noise that I couldn't place, seemed to come from inside PC but now I think it was just pipes in our house making the noises... as they stopped after a while.

And I have been listening for them ever since, just in case I was wrong about pipes. Our house is old and pipes do make odd noises if they been used recently. Its worse in winter as the temp difference between water and pipes is larger.

my CPU hit a max temp of 47c, GPU hit 61c.

Wonders if CPU temp was Cores or Package. I expect its cores since they normally the cooler of the two. 47 on package in games would be impressive. I am lucky if I hit that at idle unless its 8c outside (like right now).

47 on cores in game is pretty good either way. Could be most of the load of the game is on GPU though. . If CPU just sitting there doing nothing it is easy to stay cool.

Who needs a CPU that can do 95c when your Nvme can as well

max of 95c in benchmarks... not sure read speed of 14k makes up for it. Runs at 55c in games. Max is meant to be 70c... so its cooling needs work.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

Jesus TTL is still around!