Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Playthrough Discussion

[Charagma]

I'm to slow of a leveler to help you there, you are way past me Not sure how far @Zloth progressed in game, but hopefully he got some tips and tricks up his sleeves or maybe someone else in forums have played it also?

Cannot see me being past you. Think we are merely playing different strategies. That is the great part of RPG's that even though everyone is playing the same game, each choice (Even picking up a small stone on the left) can change the outcome of a story line somewhere.

I just entered the nexus last night, but it is doing my head in. I am unable to travel anywhere except 2 places via a portal and to a cave system. I am obviously missing a lever or a door or an NPC somewhere. I will not go into many details here since it would be a huge spoiler to those who has not been there.

In short, I am stuck with no in or out and a Backpack full of items I am unable to get rid of. In addition, I messed up somewhere since the queen is not happy with me........

 

[Frindis]

Cannot see me being past you. Think we are merely playing different strategies. That is the great part of RPG's that even though everyone is playing the same game, each choice (Even picking up a small stone on the left) can change the outcome of a story line somewhere.

I often use a lot of time with first playthroughs because I tend to read just about anything, talk to everyone I see, and walk to every nook and cranny I can figure out how to get to while looking at a lot of items, buildings, textures, and other things of interest that catch my eye.

 

[Charagma]

I often use a lot of time with first playthroughs because I tend to read just about anything, talk to everyone I see, and walk to every nook and cranny I can figure out how to get to while looking at a lot of items, buildings, textures, and other things of interest that catch my eye.

You need to get the TTS (Text to Speech) for Pathfinder. Some of those talks are just tooooooooo long to sit and read through. Easier to listen to it. LOL

 

[Charagma]

In this post there is a lot of spoilers. I do not know how to hide the spoilers so asking the moderators to assist.

Eventually after finding a "Ummmmm" something in the nexus I was able to proceed to the town. (Just look around, the way forward is in the caves).

This is where the whole game went from "WOW!" to an absolute grinding halt. Not just because I do not like "new base structures", but because this whole town is just a mess. The town changes.... yes, what you have access to now is not available in maybe 3 or 4 minutes since the buildings change.

Must add something here. Went to the docks, did the islands quest (think was about 7 or 8 of them), but man that final was hectic. Not the final person but all the enemies before you get to kill her. The enemies is about 6 sets of 5. Now the 5 is the important part. You hit them and they fall (not die) for about 5 times. So, everyone you hit down wakes up again for 5 times. The final battle was fairly simple, but I killed her with Ember who I kept one side just casting spells. The rest of my "group" or "party" was all dead beforehand.

Anyway the "abyss" town. To me this is a game killer. Load times are extreme, areas are small, movement from one part to another is limited and you need to find places (not shown on the map) to meet up with people. So you are pretty much stuck in a revolving puzzle looking for people and places with no end in sight. just before I switched off tonight, I was able to roast chicken and potatoes with vegies and a salad (timing) in the time I was able to speak to 3 people and do 4 different areas in the game. that is just an example of load times opposed to actual game play.

I loved the game till this point. Now I am not so sure anymore. I will push a bit more but already considering other games.

If you get to the abyss town. Look for building steps and anything that will take you "up". Eventually you will reach the "head honcho" who will ask you to meet at different locations. Pretty much where the game got killed for me since only 1 location is known and the rest "till now" (even with opening the maps all over, are still unknown, amongst the puzzles, moving buildings, moving roads changing environments), I still have not met the 2nd objective (meeting place) and was unable to open anything new on the maps. (3 hours for a cooked meal using a normal oven) and 0 progress.

 

[Zloth]

The spoiler things are in the little toolbar over the top of your posts as you are typing. The one with B, then I, then some lines and a down-triangle, then 3 vertical dots. Click the dots and a submenu shows up. On the right side of that submenu is a little mask. That will make "inline" spoilers. They are great for hiding a few words, like this example.

If you click the 3 dots toward the middle, you get a different submenu. That one has something that looks like an eye that has been crossed out. That can also be used for spoilers, but it's meant more for larger blocks of text. Here's an example:

Spoiler

How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck would chuck wood? A wood chuck would chuck as much wood as a wood chuck would chuck, IF a wood chuck would chuck wood.

Another one you would probably like to use is quoting from multiple posts. If you click the +Quote, the system will mark that post as one you want to respond to. Mark two or three. A new button will appear just under where you reply that says 'insert quotes.' Click that, and you can put all those posts into your post.

There are lots of wonderful things you can do with forum software! Some of them are even considered by many to be "unnatural."

P.S. I took about 200 hours to get where you are now!

 

[Charagma]

The spoiler things are in the little toolbar over the top of your posts as you are typing. The one with B, then I, then some lines and a down-triangle, then 3 vertical dots. Click the dots and a submenu shows up. On the right side of that submenu is a little mask. That will make "inline" spoilers. They are great for hiding a few words, like this example.

If you click the 3 dots toward the middle, you get a different submenu. That one has something that looks like an eye that has been crossed out. That can also be used for spoilers, but it's meant more for larger blocks of text. Here's an example:

Spoiler

How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck would chuck wood? A wood chuck would chuck as much wood as a wood chuck would chuck, IF a wood chuck would chuck wood.

Another one you would probably like to use is quoting from multiple posts. If you click the +Quote, the system will mark that post as one you want to respond to. Mark two or three. A new button will appear just under where you reply that says 'insert quotes.' Click that, and you can put all those posts into your post.

There are lots of wonderful things you can do with forum software! Some of them are even considered by many to be "unnatural."

P.S. I took about 200 hours to get where you are now!

Will give it a bash. Thank you. Guess it will be a trail and error thing for me. Most of the forums I am on is mainly for educational purposes, so you actually want to give the spoilers for people to learn. This be my first gaming Forum I interact with so will be a learning curve for me.

The steam playtime will be wrong since this is my 3rd Character but when I play again II will have a look at the save game time. Last check I think it said 2days and something, possibly 3 now.

I have failed 2 quests out of everything so far. One was right in the start where I did not "drink" something, got 2 out of 3 there and the other is "maximising military" Rest of the quests are all done and complete. As far as I am aware I have not missed any quests (playing the Azata route)

I will be heading back into the "Abyss Town" later today see if I can make head or tails from it.

Spoiler

This is the first gate from the herald. As per the standing stones, there should be another two portals from him towards somewhere. I am going to try and push through this first portal and hopefully the game would become playable again. I already became the champion in the arena and met up with the head honcho there but now need to meet her somewhere for a second private meeting. Will see how it goes. Will give the game a proper chance to return to normal. It should because I still have a lot of the previous quests open in my quest list but currently no way of returning to the main map part of the game.

Let us hope I got the spoiler thing done correctly. LMAO

 

[Charagma]

So, this morning I decided to give the Abyss another go. Struggled a lot. Somewhere along the line I decided to try a different tactic on the area which solved everything fairly quick. Travel distance is still an issue but apart from that it is not as bad as it seemed originally.

I started by opening every part of the maps in the area's where I possibly could. Where I got blocked by a moving building or moving bridge I would stop and move another direction. Theory was if I can see it on the main map I should be able to get to it somehow.

Spoiler: Moving around on the maps

This was my biggest challenge. I was standing Infront of the arena with the door towards the Arena all the way to the left and unable to enter. Since I was busy opening maps, I decided to go the other way. While moving my camera (Q and E buttons) I realised that at a specific camera angle, the building moved the door to the steps. I sneaked into the arena at a very odd angle. Patting myself on the back for getting it right, I did the arena best I could and when I exited the Arena, I tried to redo the same on a moving building close by. It worked. When you get to the barrier made by either a building or bridge, you change your camera angle. Some needs to be directly from the rear, others from the side, but the camera angle controls them. I still have not been able to collect all the loot on the various roof tops but will figure it out eventually. My gold is currently on just over 1.5mil because there is nothing, I found worth buying in the abyss. Hopefully I will be able to spend it on something when I am done in the Abyss. There are several types of portals on the map. Portal up, portal down and then just portal. Up and down are fairly obvious (Up the building or down the building) and the "portal" ones you receive coins that make them work. Each coin activates a different "portal" that you can then access from similar "portals". In addition to this there are some places where you can mobility check down or up a building. Found this use full on 3 occasions so far. The twisting bridges (So far found 2) was fun but am sure no one needs an explanation on them. They were fun but not worth being called any form of puzzle. Lastly found 4 place holders in various places on the walls. Still do not know what they are for, but you are able to place something it. I am assuming it is going to be to get a door open to the final act boss fight or something. Most of the quests I got is almost done but have not gotten anything that works on those walls.......yet.

I was able to do several quests in the Abyss, and so far, not really a fight I can say was hard. With most enemies (Saying most because some are not) are demons, I went with a full melee set along with my 2 animal companions. Seems to have been the right choice. When there is a succubi's (Think I spelled it right) I move my horse in first and they place the spell on him keeping the rest of my group free and clear.

Performance wise my little machine is struggling. Load times are between 2 to 5 minutes per load. I did read up on it best I could and even inspected the .JSON files. As per them (other players) there is a JSON error on Iomodea (Damn names I can never remember), but apparently it repeats adding powers to each limb over and over (Creator fault). Some characters have up to 137 limbs. The solution is to remove two parts in the "party.json" file in your save game. I checked, mine is as they suggest it should be, so it is possibly only a fix for Aeon and or Angel. Me playing Azata apparently do not get those buffs, but if you are playing Aeon or Angel, then have a look at your JSON file. I will try and find the link again if requested but found it on steam after a bit of searching.

Pathfinder is back in my good graces, and I am playing it like crazy again. I Just needed to get out of my comfort zone a bit. According to my save game times, my character is now 4days and 6hours. Would assume that is in 24hours so puts me at 102 hours character playtime. As per the internet this is now Act4 and there are 6 acts on the main game before I get to the DLC's. (Or that's how I understand everything).

I did finally kill

Spoiler: NAME

Voetiel, the guy wanting to kill Wiljif

tonight. Him and his chronies didn't stand a chance. LMAO

 

[Zloth]

Pathfinder is back in my good graces, and I am playing it like crazy again. I Just needed to get out of my comfort zone a bit. According to my save game times, my character is now 4days and 6hours. Would assume that is in 24hours so puts me at 102 hours character playtime. As per the internet this is now Act4 and there are 6 acts on the main game before I get to the DLC's. (Or that's how I understand everything).

That matches up. I tend to play SLOW, often taking double what the numbers in HowLongToBeat.com show.

 

[Charagma]

I think during my years of gaming I have seen may twists in the story lines......but this I did not suspect even for a second. Finished the abyss and WHAM!!!!!! curve ball from all sides!

The final battle in the Abyss was a headache. even with having full attacks on single targets they just kept mopping the floor with me. Fortunately, I had an autosave not far from the boss fight and yes whole party died about 7 times. My last try (the one I actually won by fluke) While most of my companions was crawling around looking for a way to stay alive, I ran to the back and just started drinking potions till I was back 100%. Raced back, kicked some butt and well rinse and repeat. There was no time to do the same with any of my animals or companions so eventually my character was "last man" standing with 0 potions and maybe about another two hits and would be dead. What took a lot of time was them spamming the mirror spell. On my final attempt I went for the boss herself with everything and everyone I had. Unfortunately, magic does not work on her, so good old butt-kicking was the only way.

Going to be very vague to avoid spoilers. After the whole twist in the story and reaching Drezen again, I was faced with a difficult choice. out of the three options I decided to stay the way I am. It did not go down well with some, but I have a feeling any of the other two options would have been just as bad. By now I have noticed that no matter what you choose, someone will not be happy. LMAO

The final part of the Abyss was "true" Dungeons and Dragons style. Running around in a dungeon and your first objective is to kill a dragon. You cannot get closer to "Dungeons and Dragons" anywhere else. Brought back a lot of old memories of us sitting around a table playing D&D sunset to sunrise and not playing but living the game. Good old days when the sound of D&D dices was a sound you went to investigate. Just in case someone is playing without you. LMAO

Back in Drezen, all I can say is "What a mess!" The PC just froze up so will be doing my first quest tomorrow and not tonight (As originally planned) Thinking Malwarebytes is creating Unity handler crashes. Been getting these crashes since I installed Malwarebytes and having it run in the background constantly.

Unfortunately, the Abyss did not do well with my companions. Think I lost 4 in total and gained 1. My horse is much stronger and my Dragon is almost fully grown (Or think so since it is bigger than my horse already), and when it was next to another dragon (In Drezen) my dragon was almost the same size. Think maybe one or two Mythical levels and my dragon will be fully grown. Gold is coming out of my ears (Great news for the crusade armies) since there was nothing worth buying in the Abyss but had to pay A BOATLOAD of gold for a boat hire. Could have done it for free but refused to accept the free boat trip since I felt it was going to come with too many strings attached.

 

[Charagma]

Not much to say, but needs to be said, but first a Joke I heard today.

"My mother-in-law is here, almost 2 weeks now. It has been raining non stop but being rainy season it is expected. Garden is beautiful and nice and wet Possible a bit too wet but that is nature for you. I do not have a overhanging roofs so I let my dogs in....shame, they could get sick and nothing worse seeing the 4-legged kids sick. Anyway, I can feel my mother-in-law eyeballing my every move. No matter where I am in the house when I look in her direction, she has that "LOOK". You should know that mother-in-law demon stare. The one that goes through you and you can feel the darkness pulling at your soul on the other side. That stare where you wonder if being dead is not a better / safer option. So, I woke up this morning and decided that if it carries on like this I might just have to let her in"

Anyway, day 2 on Enigma quest. Who ever created the puzzles....WELL DONE!!!!!. the last one was extremely challenging. Had to make notes of what I have tried. Puzzle consists of two different types of runes. I could not find any documentation in the Maze on it, but with the help of my notes and a lot of trying I got it solved. Found a similar larger one today, so got my old pen and paper out to solve it. Unfortunately there is no indication if you get one right or one wrong. You need to do the whole thing and see if anything happens. If not, try again till somethig happens. Endless combinations but solvable.

 

[Zed Clampet]

I finally started the game after creating my character some time ago. Not very far along. I'm under the starting city gathering companions and fighting bugs.

Honestly, the writing has made me cringe multiple times and the voice acting is poor. This could be a big problem for me as I assume there is going to be a lot of story. Their other game, Rogue Trader, is actually pretty well written, so I'm going to soldier on and assume they were trying too hard in the beginning.

 

[Zloth]

@Charagma, did you finish?

 

[Charagma]

No still busy, finishing up 3 more quests before doing the threshold, but too scared to say anything. Got slapped on the wrists for giving general advice. So, figure it is better to just read. Can say 2nd puzzle (the bigger two rune one) was a beast, but final puzzle was easy. Iz, was not hard at all.

 

[Charagma]

Weird problem.

(back ground) When I explore a map, I have characters exploring different areas (at the same time) and then some characters retrace an area for like lore checks etc. When I was in Iz I have Nenio walking around one side for lore checking (I Like having her since she adds a comical value to the game that I have not found in other games yet and also, she is an ANY Lore genius. I do not try any puzzle if she is not with me), had all the other companions together and myself (Rogue), one side running around opening chests and looking for traps.

To the right of the map there was gap that I had to jump over. Took all the companions across no problem, my main character went across no problem and eventually Nenio caught up and failed the mobility test at that point. She fell, no problem (or so I thought). Was unable to do anything with or to her from there. Not revive, not restore, not potions, not magic, nothing. So eventually left her, killed the person in the circle (No names) did the rest of the map and left. Nenio was greyed out. I do not know how to get her back. She is amongst the companions but unable to do anything with her. Even tried resting, sleeping at the citadel etc. She is just completely greyed out. Did the whole "Fun Fare" quest without here. There she was available for the few small quests for herself, but when I was done, back at Drezen, she is greyed out again.

Any ideas or suggestions?

 

[Zloth]

Try asking on the Steam forums?

 

[Charagma]

Going to do two Posts. First explain how to fix the problem and second will be my personal review of Pathfinder WOTR (Yes, I finished it).

In life everyone has specific things they are better at. One of my strengths is pattern recognition. If you think about it, that is why I am into music, I recognise the patterns and play around with it to get a different pattern and get paid for it.

Search everywhere for this problem (Nenio dead, Companion greyed out, companion not working) and could not find anything. I then started looking at problem solving patterns. What was used most and in what order to resolve most problems. Ultimately it came down to 3 things mostly done to fix Pathfinder problems. But for reference will add what I did and their respective results.

Spoiler: Non - Working steps

Switched off my mods. Made no difference. Found a piece with regards to a Registry issue, backed up that part of the registry and removed it from the registry. Did not work so placed it back with the backup. Can say it slowed down the game a lot. Memory Checks, driver checks etc is everyone's go to, so I checked all my drivers and there were no updates. Loaded an earlier save game (my auto save was after Nenio died and I had saved as I exited Iz. I just use 1 autosave slot and to save load times and disc space on keep one saved game file. So could not get to before that point.

What fixed it?

1. Verify game installation files.
2. Clear Game Cache
3. Delete the log files in the App DATA folder (I think this is what ultimately fixed it)

After doing the above (Unfortunately did not try the game between the three), Game ran smoother, Load times were much better, less stuttering. Made a huge gaming difference.

The last three steps are ultimately the most used (Pattern) trouble shooting procedures for Pathfinder WOTR. So, before you start asking questions with regards to troubleshooting on the game. Do those three steps and if it does not work, pop into your friendly (Well most try to be) gaming forum and ask.

 

[Charagma]

Finally finished Pathfinder WOTR and guess I need to talk about it. Will try not to spoil any one's fun. Will not go into too much details because I know several people are playing it.

First word that comes to mind is "WOW". Great story, Outstanding Puzzles, Nice Maps and honestly did not have much trouble shooting to do even with me running it on a below minimum spec's pc. (Intel 4900 CPU, 4GB RAM, SSD and UHD 610 iGPU). Played with everything on low and minimum and sped up time using a mod for the characters to move at a good speed. It is unfortunately a cheating program that does it so cannot give the name. But is available if you search for it.

The "Crusade" part was a bit hard for me to get into. I eventually switched it over to automatic fighting. It was the only way I could actually win any of those battles. On my next play through I will spend more time on the crusades and see if I can figure it out.

The twist in the story was great. Definitely did not expect it.

Character was as Follow (Final lvls at ending):

Difficulty - Hard with AI constantly on. Used both Turn-base and Realtime during game play.

Female Elf - Cavalier Beast Rider (Lvl19)(Order of the sword), and Inquisitor Sacred Hunts Master (Lvl 1) (Sun Domain). Mythic Azata Lvl 9. Inquisitor was merely to be able to use better armor.

Most used companions: Seelah, Nenio, Trever, Sosiel and Ember.
Animal companions for myself: Large Black Horse and Aivu (Azata Dragon)

Skills concentration was done mainly on perception and trickery.

Playthrough took me 6days 3Hrs and 27Min (As per the auto save game time) so that is just under 150 Playtime Hours and was unable to complete 5 Quests. So, 5 quest failures out of many!

The ending, well "IT SUCKED!!!". Sitting thinking about it now, it was actually a good ending. I know what happened to everyone after everything and I know what happened to the enemy. So ultimately it was a good ending. They could have just made it a bit different though. Maybe my expectations were too high. Really expected more but it served its purpose and the information to complete everything was given. I can go into details here but won't. You will see the ending eventually and you will also go "UUMMMmmmm OOOkkkaaaayyyy............"

I am backing up my save game for reference purposes if you need skills breakdowns etc. Will keep it floating around on my PC a bit just in case. Will be giving it a few days gap (Rest) and then restart. Make a few new choices and go kick 'em butts......AGAIN!

 

[Charagma]

Weird problem.

(back ground) When I explore a map, I have characters exploring different areas (at the same time) and then some characters retrace an area for like lore checks etc. When I was in Iz I have Nenio walking around one side for lore checking (I Like having her since she adds a comical value to the game that I have not found in other games yet and also, she is an ANY Lore genius. I do not try any puzzle if she is not with me), had all the other companions together and myself (Rogue), one side running around opening chests and looking for traps.

Think this needs an explanation. Took myself out of the game and reading it and the first question that came to mind is "Why do you split them?" LMAO it's something I learned in Dragon Age that gave me an unfair advantage. Call it a playstyle advantage.

In pathfinder you are a party of 6. Yourself and 5 others each with their own specialities. My party is usually myself as a rogue, then two tanks, two archers and 1 Wizard. In pathfinder the classes are slightly different but has Seelah and Sosiel as healers and tanks, Ember as my Wizard, Nenio for my Lore checks (and Archer) and puzzles and then myself as the rogue (with melee or archery. Situation dependant). Simple and straight forward. Unfortunately, Nenio is not a great fighter. Tried various weapons on her but failed. Eventually ended up giving her a Crossbow (some fancy one that freeze them on hit), but she would still die very fast. I then started protecting her inside the group by recreating the formation with Nenio right in the middle with everyone around her. Worked a bit better but two or three hits and she was down.

In Dragon age I used to split my party for "incase" I die. I would hold 1 party member far away from the fight. When all of us die and the fight is over, the one standing one side would run in and revive everyone and then everyone tailgates out of there.

Started using this with Nenio. Have my rogue scout out ahead of the others disabling traps etc and trying to stay out of sight of the enemy, then have the main group taking out the enemy and then have Nenio lore checking everything in and around. Few times everyone died, Nenio was able to keep them going. With the crossbow had a 50-attack distance so was able to take them down one by one at a distance and then just go in and get everyone up again (you know, shoot, run, turn, shoot, run, turn, shoot, run, rinse and repeat). Take a rest or potions and carry on. Does not end here though. With my Horse and dragon, I had 2 additional party members. I had 1 group of 3 (myself, a horse and a dragon), 1 group of 4 (Main attack and defend group) and the separate Nenio group (Just her) but, when possible, would add her the horse dragon group. So had two parties both having 4 members in each able to protect themselves. Made mapwork a breeze (Very important in all RPG's is mapwork). With Nenio walking around with a rogue, Hidden objects, doors, chests and puzzles was easy, and lore checks just worked.

 

[Charagma]

Busy planning my character creation for my long play through. What classes, subs, etc do you think would be good. I prefer rogue but can-do Perception and trickery on any one of them. So from a "base" character what would you recommend? And yes, watched many YTs on it and got some good info. Why stop there if I can get more inputs?

Race, class & sub?

 

[Charagma]

Wait! STOOOOOoooopppp!!!! first we have to SING............

"Win or lose, sink or swim
One thing is certain, we'll never give in
Side by side, hand in hand
We all "Laugh" together.....POM POM"

Do not know how I missed it ........... and here I thought all of you were my friends......PFFFFTTTTttttt fat lot of good you guys are.... LMAO no one breathed a word about it........

After looking at YT's and reading classes etc I wanted to check if there might be other Sub-classes and opened up Pathfinder clicked new game and WHAM! asks me if I want to import my old character. "Say what now? Import to what?" Decided ok "yeah let's import" see what it does.

Remember I said I had extra credit and bought the DLC's.......I just figured they were all in there somewhere in what I already played, like s quests etc inside the game, but some are not. They are separate. So will need to postpone my long play for a bit. I just started the first one after the Main and if I recall there is 4 or 5 more after this one.

So, no more research time, Just PLAYTIME.

First one started where you are inside the Threshold on your way to (May not say else will spoil the game for you). You get blocked by a barrier and a voice tells you to go to the entrance of threshold. At the entrance you are asked (Well sort of asked forcefully) to return to Iz. I just entered Iz, still not sure what is happening but something fishy about the people staying there........ According to the chat lines I killed him somewhere but yet he says I left him to live. Seriously like I just said it there is how it is in the chat lines.

BTW, do not lie, you sang the song in your head when you realized what song it is. You did not just read it.......Possibly read it 1st time and sang it the second time and now it is stuck in your head for the rest of the day.........Have a nice day and thank you for singing along.

 

[Zloth]

Errrr, song?

I am backing up my save game for reference purposes if you need skills breakdowns etc. Will keep it floating around on my PC a bit just in case. Will be giving it a few days gap (Rest) and then restart. Make a few new choices and go kick 'em butts......AGAIN!

Again? There are other things to do out there. Most obviously:

View: https://youtu.be/bQZAg4RwuZU?si=_Z3brPrEOxuahTDF


And BattleTech and Troubleshooter: Abandoned Children and ... oh well, looks like you started already.

 

[Charagma]

Errrr, song?

Edit:

View: https://youtu.be/gVfaf43W9cM

Again? There are other things to do out there. Most obviously:

View: https://youtu.be/bQZAg4RwuZU?si=_Z3brPrEOxuahTDF

I take it you added this just to confuse me, right? I have seen many YT's on various games and topics but this is the first one I saw that still do not answer my curiosity. He simply says, "No do not play it" and then goes on to tell you Why you should play it. Actually, looks like a nice game or Version of the game (As he said called a "PATH". Will have a look at the prices. Once I am done with the Add-ons or DLC's on WOTR it might be something I would invest in.

Decided to look up on the prices before posting this. This is where I get confused in the gaming industry. Why is Kingmaker (Pathfinder 1, lack of a better term) more expensive than WOTR (Pathfinder 2). Not including DLC's here, just the base game. How do they get to that figure? Logically speaking, shouldn't the older version be cheaper to promote it for gamers. Gamers will simply do a search see there is two, see the newer version is cheaper and it is sold. Maybe there is a Marketing strategy I am missing here.

 

[Pifanjr]

Decided to look up on the prices before posting this. This is where I get confused in the gaming industry. Why is Kingmaker (Pathfinder 1, lack of a better term) more expensive than WOTR (Pathfinder 2). Not including DLC's here, just the base game. How do they get to that figure? Logically speaking, shouldn't the older version be cheaper to promote it for gamers. Gamers will simply do a search see there is two, see the newer version is cheaper and it is sold. Maybe there is a Marketing strategy I am missing here.

On Steam they're both €20 right now. Kingmaker was released for €40 and WOTR was released for €50 originally and both go on sale for a couple of bucks every so often, with Kingmaker one euro cheaper.

 

[Charagma]

On Steam they're both €20 right now. Kingmaker was released for €40 and WOTR was released for €50 originally and both go on sale for a couple of bucks every so often, with Kingmaker one euro cheaper.

My prices:

Kingmaker - Bundled R694-79 or Stand Alone R320-00
WOTR - Bundled R625-49 or Stand Alone R279.99

This is ZAR pricing via steam

And if I go by Exchange rate, R694.79 gives me 34 Euro's. Who is pocketing the other 14 Euro's?

 

[Pifanjr]

My prices:

Kingmaker - Bundled R694-79 or Stand Alone R320-00
WOTR - Bundled R625-49 or Stand Alone R279.99

This is ZAR pricing via steam

And if I go by Exchange rate, R694.79 gives me 34 Euro's. Who is pocketing the other 14 Euro's?

I was looking at the standalone price. R320 seems to be about €15.63, so it would be slightly cheaper.

I'm not sure why WOTR is cheaper in ZAR than Kingmaker, I have no idea how regional pricing works.