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Hello everyone!

I am planning to do my first pc build (not anytime soon) but if I were to build now. I'll be using amd 7800xt GPU, ryzen 7 7700x CPU, ddr5 16*2 gigs of ram.
I have a few questions.
1. Which motherboard should I use? A gigabyte b650 fine?
2. Which case should I buy? What I'm thinking is a cooler master td500 mesh v2 or Corsair 5000d or Lian Li lan cool II mesh
3. Air cooled or liquid cooled?
4. PSU 750w or 850w( ik it's a bit overkill but I can maybe reuse it in future is what I'm thinking)?
5. General things I should look for while building a pc. Biggest and silliest mistakes that I can make.
6. Also, suggestions on my current plan is much appreciated.
I for one am a console gamer till date, planning to switch to pc gaming.
PS: this is my first time here! And happy gaming everyone!
 
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850W psu allows you to upgrade your gpu later on if you so choose. I would look at AMD EXPO RAM and air cooling if you don't want the hassles of an AIO.

Something like this that includes an ATX 3.0 PCIe 5.0 psu, a PCIe 4.0 SSD and low profile RAM so that it doesn't impede that dual tower cpu cooler.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 7 7700 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($297.50 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: *MSI PRO B650-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($174.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: *G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: *Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card ($499.95 @ Newegg)
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Power Supply: *MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1436.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-11-03 16:31 EDT-0400


A better look at those components.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B650-P-WIFI

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-7700

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...al-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/16082.shtml

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/396/1673491242/F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5

https://www.crucial.com/products/ssd/crucial-p5-plus-ssd

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-R78XTGAMING-OC-16GD#kf

https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MPG-A850G-PCIE5

 
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Brian Boru

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Welcome to the forum :)

What country are you in, what's your budget & currency, any retailers online or off you prefer?

5. General things I should look for while building a pc. Biggest and silliest mistakes that I can make.

I'm not much of a hardware guy, so I can help a lot with silliest mistakes—how much time you got?

Heat Control

Next time I'm building, I'll pay most attention to heat control—recent and coming parts are almost little nuclear plants in terms of heat output, and heat is the biggest enemy of hardware in general. So that means:

♣ Location of PC—off floor, especially off carpet. I keep my tower on my desk, but at least get something under it to get off floor dust and facilitate more airflow. Dust clogs airflow, airflow cools machine.

♦ Case—effective airflow, typically in thru front mesh and out thru rear & top. Not too small, don't want parts all on top of each other—not only is that a pain to work with, but it also reduces amount of cool air available to each part.

♥ Parts layout—some parts have their own cooling, and so will output hot air within the case. You want that hot air heading straight to a nearby exit fan/mesh, NOT flowing over other parts en route.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55X3sw1x40


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6w3QdnWBw
 
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Brian Boru

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Here's a copy of a post I made here 3 years ago, most still relevant:

I was going to have to build a pc
That's not true, take a look in the System Building forum, eg these threads:
PC build for Skyrim and FlightSimulator2020
What is a good Gaming PC to buy?
You might be better off buying your first PC and maybe build your next one—unless you're already generally handy at building things and following instructions carefully.

How exactly do system requirements work?
Most System Requirements for games are understated, especially the minimum—so assume you'll need the 'Recommended' settings or better.

Where do I start exactly?
Do a search for…
"how to build a gaming pc"
…and read some articles or watch some videos, just to get an idea of the scope of the task. Here's a good PCG article/video to start with:
How to build a gaming PC
"easy walkthrough to building a PC for the first time, with a video showing each step of the process"

I usually have trouble understanding which graphics card is better than the other and whether or not it would work
Me too :) I've built maybe a dozen PCs over the years, but each time I have to do the research to find out what's the current state of play for the components. I can spend a month researching, a week buying, and a day building.

How hard is it to actually build the PC?
It's all assembly work, so each individual task is relatively simple—you won't be grinding metal or cutting wood—but there are a lot of them. You might get by with only a Phillips screwdriver and an anti-static wristband or mat as your only tools, but if you can get a toolbox, do so—I can guarantee you'll need a tweezers at some stage :)

Put aside a weekend for the project, in case you need to troubleshoot. If all goes well, you could be done in 3-4 hours. A large table with good lighting, which won't be attacked by toddlers or pets :) A tray with compartments is also very useful for keeping all the different fiddly bits organized.

The main difficulty is in the planning stage, making sure the parts meet your needs, that the parts will work together and also physically fit together, and that the overall system is balanced—ie that one part doesn't cause a bottleneck.

Tips:
A. Use PCpartPicker.com—it'll protect you from choosing incompatible case, motherboard, CPU and RAM.
B. Don't build all in one go—test as early as you can, and 2-3 times more before you tighten all the screws.
C. Keep it simple first time—eg don't go for water cooling or fancy stuff like RGB.
D. Use something anti-static, eg wrist-strap or floor mat.
E. Do whatever you can to minimize heat & dust—heat is THE big enemy, and dust increases it. Keep cables out of the airflow, and make sure your fans are working together, not against each other.

maintenance
Carpeted floor is the worst spot to place your PC, due to all the dust kicked up—at least put it on some risers to get it 2-3 inches up off it. High on your table/desk is probably the cleanest.

Cleaning regularly is good, frequency depending on environment. I only do mine once a year as it's on my desk and we don't have hair-shedding pets.
on decent settings, what do you think the costs for that PC would be?
Depends if you'll need everything, or just the main box. Excluding monitors, mouse, mouse mat, wrist rest, keyboard, backup drive, UPS, USB hub, Windows… my wild guess is $1,000 - $1,200. I'm not up to date with current prices, so wait for someone else for a better estimate.

That's assuming "decent" means just that, and not maxed out on everything—that'll cost you a fortune with the prices of GPUs and CPUs these days. Btw it's not a great time to go PC, the demand has risen this year with all the home working so prices have gone up a bit.

I always buy one step behind the current CPU & GPU, that's where the sweet spot is for price v performance—eg get 80% of the performance for 60% of the price. However, the latest GPUs look to have quite a big jump in performance over previous, so that'd need some analysis to figure out.

Other Considerations

A main benefit of building for me, apart from learning, is I can fit my needs. Eg audio doesn't matter to me, so I don't need a separate audio card—the audio built into the motherboard is good enough. I use my PC for work also, so stability is important—therefore I don't overclock, so I don't need components which support overclocking [overclocking is manually tinkering to boost CPU and maybe GPU performance]. That saves me money and heat! So think along such lines, saving in one area and splurging in another.

You need a SSD for your system disk, and I advise one for your games disk too if you can afford it. If you plan to store a lot of media—photos, videos, music—then get a large cheap HD also. I have 256GB SSD system, 1TB SSD games, 4TB HD storage.

16GB RAM should be enough for gaming over the next few years.
Get known-good brands for motherboard, power supply, RAM and GPU.
Select your CPU brand first—AMD or Intel, AMD seems on top at the moment—as that dictates which motherboards will work.

If you're a big guy, you won't enjoy a small case—very finicky to work in.

Good luck :)
 
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Here's an overview of the build process from my old notes—doubtless needs updates to account for modern parts, but the outline and principles are valid:

Planning
Use a parts planning site
— PCpartPicker Tips
Pangoly
Logical Increments

Build outside Case
CPU, RAM, Air cooler
PCIe SSD, Water mount

Test early & often
Keep it simple
Use anti-static
Minimize heat & dust
Plan Airflow!

Label = flow towards
Top quality PSU
SuperFlower, Seasonic
Top quality MoBo
Top quality RAM
Light-color big Case


Prep
USB w WX ISO & Drivers
6' table with good light
Jogger's headlight
Clip-on flashlight
Tweezers & Scissors
X screwdriver magnetic
X screwdriver smaller
Pliers stubby just in case
Thermal paste
TIM remover
Read MoBo manual
A day spare, no pets kids

Build
Tear down Case
Read MoBo manual again
Assemble to MoBo:

CPU, RAM, Air cooler
PCIe SSD, Water mount
PSU power cable

Screw/snap in MoBo standoffs
Put PSU in Case, then MoBo assy
Turn up fans—BIOS or s/w
Cable manage as you go
No cable ties until all done
 
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Welcome to the forum :)

What country are you in, what's your budget & currency, any retailers online or off you prefer?



I'm not much of a hardware guy, so I can help a lot with silliest mistakes—how much time you got?

Heat Control

Next time I'm building, I'll pay most attention to heat control—recent and coming parts are almost little nuclear plants in terms of heat output, and heat is the biggest enemy of hardware in general. So that means:

♣ Location of PC—off floor, especially off carpet. I keep my tower on my desk, but at least get something under it to get off floor dust and facilitate more airflow. Dust clogs airflow, airflow cools machine.

♦ Case—effective airflow, typically in thru front mesh and out thru rear & top. Not too small, don't want parts all on top of each other—not only is that a pain to work with, but it also reduces amount of cool air available to each part.

♥ Parts layout—some parts have their own cooling, and so will output hot air within the case. You want that hot air heading straight to a nearby exit fan/mesh, NOT flowing over other parts en route.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55X3sw1x40


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6w3QdnWBw
I'm from India and thank you all for the tips!
 
Nov 3, 2023
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Welcome to the forum :)

What country are you in, what's your budget & currency, any retailers online or off you prefer?



I'm not much of a hardware guy, so I can help a lot with silliest mistakes—how much time you got?

Heat Control

Next time I'm building, I'll pay most attention to heat control—recent and coming parts are almost little nuclear plants in terms of heat output, and heat is the biggest enemy of hardware in general. So that means:

♣ Location of PC—off floor, especially off carpet. I keep my tower on my desk, but at least get something under it to get off floor dust and facilitate more airflow. Dust clogs airflow, airflow cools machine.

♦ Case—effective airflow, typically in thru front mesh and out thru rear & top. Not too small, don't want parts all on top of each other—not only is that a pain to work with, but it also reduces amount of cool air available to each part.

♥ Parts layout—some parts have their own cooling, and so will output hot air within the case. You want that hot air heading straight to a nearby exit fan/mesh, NOT flowing over other parts en route.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55X3sw1x40


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6w3QdnWBw
My budget is around 150k INR( for my CPU alone). Here in India the problem is, all these parts are mostly imported meaning there's extra custom duty that I have to pay. So, if it's let's say a 150k inr build in US it'll be around 175 or 180k build here in India.
INR- Indian rupee
1 USD= 83 INR
 

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