Yeah those vids confirm trail ratings are relative to the area you ride in. I'm not sure anyone where I live would call the trails in the first one black, maybe moderate blue. The 2nd looked like it had a few spots that might approach 4' high drops, but it's hard to tell from the lighting and camera angle. I would be more inclined to call both vids blue, the 2nd more advanced blue.
As for the guy shouting "rock garden", I had to chuckle a bit because anything you can pick a line between most rocks that fast is not what we'd call a rock garden. Even courses on the pro XC race circuits have more technical rock segments than that anymore, often times with sequential steep steps over boulders that need to be picked a line through carefully, and some pretty good pros often crash and hurt themselves after tiring from the pace. If you saw the XC races of the Olympics in Paris, you know what I mean.
Here we have a lot of places on bench trails with embedded rocks placed to keep snow melt runoff from eroding the trail, so you have to be on the constant lookout for them because they are placed here and there in the middle of flow trails in a dense forest, which are often difficult to see in time if going too fast. We also have a lot of places where there are good sized trees hugging either side of a trail, with a steep drop where you have to carefully ride fairly large roots or embedded rocks. Some of these such sections come just before a hairpin too, which is another tech feature common here. All the turns in those vides are rail berms by comparison.
The common denominator seems to be whether the trail is groomed with machines, or hand built with minimal impact, leaving as many natural features as possible. We also frequently have blow downs leaving fallen trees that block trails, so you can't afford to go too fast unless you know the trail conditions very well, which changes constantly. That said, I'm a firm believer in what you said about giving room to faster riders with more knowledge of and experience on a given trail, or a more suitable bike or fitter, younger rider. I never look to slow anyone's flow, or even disrespect hikers out there if it's a multi use trail.
I also think it's cool you have experienced riders helping those inexperienced learn the trails. In fact, I think Cali is a mecca for BMX riders with skills, and I think the culture we have here is sometimes a bit too hardcore and rogue, influencing the building of dangerously technical trails. One example is I often see fallen trees from 6" to 12" that almost look like their fat end has been deliberately cut flat and placed in such a way that you would get hurt really badly were you to run off the trail and smash into it.
Over 20 yrs ago I used to do rides with a guy that led rides in a forest where people would irresponsibly do target shooting in certain spots, and leave bullet shells, trash, and even couches. It looked like a dump, and I think that and the fact that mt biking wasn't as popular at the time is what led some trail users to do weird things like cut a bunch of saplings down and block the trails with them. It's hard to believe mt biking has gotten popular enough here to the point where those on bikes have the right of way over hikers on more technical trails, even in areas with new housing developments where a lot of us worried bikes would be banned.
Here's a video of a very skilled rider from Freehub Magazine, riding a double black trail in Bellingham called Chukanut Trail on an Orbea Occam LT. I would say this is our version of what you showed in your 2nd vid, a trail called double black, but has a fair bit of flow. Meaning I think both our states perhaps have some slightly overrated trails. The thing to keep in mind with ANY double black trail is it always looks easier than it is when a very skilled rider rides it.
BTW, I don't want to scare you away from Orbea, but I just saw a vid a guy did whom works in a bike shop in North Carolina as far as I know. He feels they have very good bikes, but their shop cut ties with them due to problems over a very damaged bike they expected the shop to accept a new rear triangle and wheel and sell, despite the contract saying Orbea would pick up the entire bike and take it back. It just seems odd a manufacturer that puts a lifetime warranty on their frames would behave this way.
Ibis compares better on support, but Orbea is miles ahead of them on offering customers personalized spec, and innovations like their quick adjust shock mount on the Occam LT that doesn't even require removal to change head and seat angle by .5 degree and raise/lower BB by several mm (less than 20 sec). This combined with being able to choose crank length means no constant pedal smacking. Ibis bikes are low BB though and they still use 175mm cranks. Orbea don't even charge for picking your own paint color.
As for the guy shouting "rock garden", I had to chuckle a bit because anything you can pick a line between most rocks that fast is not what we'd call a rock garden. Even courses on the pro XC race circuits have more technical rock segments than that anymore, often times with sequential steep steps over boulders that need to be picked a line through carefully, and some pretty good pros often crash and hurt themselves after tiring from the pace. If you saw the XC races of the Olympics in Paris, you know what I mean.
Here we have a lot of places on bench trails with embedded rocks placed to keep snow melt runoff from eroding the trail, so you have to be on the constant lookout for them because they are placed here and there in the middle of flow trails in a dense forest, which are often difficult to see in time if going too fast. We also have a lot of places where there are good sized trees hugging either side of a trail, with a steep drop where you have to carefully ride fairly large roots or embedded rocks. Some of these such sections come just before a hairpin too, which is another tech feature common here. All the turns in those vides are rail berms by comparison.
The common denominator seems to be whether the trail is groomed with machines, or hand built with minimal impact, leaving as many natural features as possible. We also frequently have blow downs leaving fallen trees that block trails, so you can't afford to go too fast unless you know the trail conditions very well, which changes constantly. That said, I'm a firm believer in what you said about giving room to faster riders with more knowledge of and experience on a given trail, or a more suitable bike or fitter, younger rider. I never look to slow anyone's flow, or even disrespect hikers out there if it's a multi use trail.
I also think it's cool you have experienced riders helping those inexperienced learn the trails. In fact, I think Cali is a mecca for BMX riders with skills, and I think the culture we have here is sometimes a bit too hardcore and rogue, influencing the building of dangerously technical trails. One example is I often see fallen trees from 6" to 12" that almost look like their fat end has been deliberately cut flat and placed in such a way that you would get hurt really badly were you to run off the trail and smash into it.
Over 20 yrs ago I used to do rides with a guy that led rides in a forest where people would irresponsibly do target shooting in certain spots, and leave bullet shells, trash, and even couches. It looked like a dump, and I think that and the fact that mt biking wasn't as popular at the time is what led some trail users to do weird things like cut a bunch of saplings down and block the trails with them. It's hard to believe mt biking has gotten popular enough here to the point where those on bikes have the right of way over hikers on more technical trails, even in areas with new housing developments where a lot of us worried bikes would be banned.
Here's a video of a very skilled rider from Freehub Magazine, riding a double black trail in Bellingham called Chukanut Trail on an Orbea Occam LT. I would say this is our version of what you showed in your 2nd vid, a trail called double black, but has a fair bit of flow. Meaning I think both our states perhaps have some slightly overrated trails. The thing to keep in mind with ANY double black trail is it always looks easier than it is when a very skilled rider rides it.
BTW, I don't want to scare you away from Orbea, but I just saw a vid a guy did whom works in a bike shop in North Carolina as far as I know. He feels they have very good bikes, but their shop cut ties with them due to problems over a very damaged bike they expected the shop to accept a new rear triangle and wheel and sell, despite the contract saying Orbea would pick up the entire bike and take it back. It just seems odd a manufacturer that puts a lifetime warranty on their frames would behave this way.
Ibis compares better on support, but Orbea is miles ahead of them on offering customers personalized spec, and innovations like their quick adjust shock mount on the Occam LT that doesn't even require removal to change head and seat angle by .5 degree and raise/lower BB by several mm (less than 20 sec). This combined with being able to choose crank length means no constant pedal smacking. Ibis bikes are low BB though and they still use 175mm cranks. Orbea don't even charge for picking your own paint color.
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