Question Upgrading the bios with out a CPU?

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Is this even possible? I have a z490 board and some of those 11 chips are really nice. the 8 cores, running at just 65w clocking in around 5ghz sounds pretty solid to me. The only problem is i need to update my bios to do so. I'm pretty sure i need a chip, but i figured i'd ask. Perhaps just some shipping and i can send it back to asus, or maybe a computer store near me could do it? i dunno, maybe i should just drop in the i10 and not worry about it..

thoughts?
 

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Some boards have BIOS flashback via USB, it depends on the model. Without that you'd need a CPU.

Just a heads up: Intel's current TDP numbers are not to be confused with actual power consumption.


I won’t rehash the full ongoing issue with how companies report power vs TDP in this review – we’ve covered it a number of times before. But in a quick sentence, Intel uses one published value for sustained performance, and an unpublished ‘recommended’ value for turbo performance, the latter of which is routinely ignored by motherboard manufacturers. Most high-end consumer motherboards ignore the sustained value, often 125 W, and allow the CPU to consume as much as it needs with the real limits being the full power consumption at full turbo, the thermals, or the power delivery limitations.
You'll need some decent cooling for a 11700K if you dont want it to throttle.
 
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Well i was originally just going to go with a nice air cooler, and drop in a 10100, But i am now exploring the idea of a 6 core with a bit higher clock speed. If i do that I'm considering going with a 240mm water cooler, both cooler master and i think corsair had some nice closed loop coolers for around 100. My main reason for the extra cores is to play gal Civ III with a few more AI's and who knows what games coming down the pipe in the next 4-5 years will need. I don't expect them needing 8 or more, but having an extra two, especially for encoding will be helpful. (i'm working on cooking vids, I also have crap ton of old VHS and hi-8 vids i want to edit and move to digital. Lots of old concert footage and vintage moto-X :) )


My board is the asus z490 prime-A
 

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Ahh I dont think your board has BIOS flashback, Asus seems to only do it on ROG and X series boards unfortunately :( Double check but I think I'm right. You probably have to pick up a 10100 and sell it on if you want to flash to the latest.

I think 6/12 is about right for gaming right now, any less is not as future proof, and if you're doing some video stuff you might benefit from an 8 core more as you say.

The 11400F and 11600K seem like the pick of the 11 series for price performance, better than AMD currently I think. 11700 is obviously a bit more powerful and faster but uses a lot of power(heat) and costs a lot more

For an Intel 6 core and up I'd suggest a big dual tower air cooler if your case has room for it, or a 240/280mm AIO. They all cool roughly the same at the end of the day especially if you're not overclocking to the bleeding edge.

There's several big air coolers that are about the same, Noctua NHD-15 and NHD-15S, Deepcool Assassin III, Cryorig R1 Ultimate/Universal, and some others, and a million 240/280mm AIO's. The only thing with some air coolers, you might have to be careful if you have tall RAM or if your PCI-E slot is little close to the CPU slot. The NHD-15S does solve this by being offset to the upside and losing the front fan.

Of course AIO's dont have those kind of issues at all, but they also need replacing every few years where air coolers will go basically forever I'd personally go for whichever was quietest these days. Whatever floats your boat. :)
 
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Ok... So now i'm looking at the chip pricing a bit closer, and i am kinda wondering if i should just go with this one. https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-10600-core-i5-10th-gen/p/19-118-133

Just a shade over 200, it has me wondering if i could hit 5Ghz with a 240m water cooler.


And i also noticed there is a 65w version, and a 125w.. Paired with a 3060TI when i can grab one, my PS should run either. I'm guessing the 125 is a better overclocker? I don't wanna go with a huge over clock, but i think with my board. z490 prime, i should be able to do a little tweaking to get it stable at 5ghz. Do you think that is possible kaamos?
 

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The 65Watt version is the non K model, just the 10600. It has a locked multiplier so you can't overclock it. It also wont boost the clock speed as high for as long making it a bit slower, hence the lower TDP.

For the 10600K Seems overclocking can increase the power consumption by quite a bit though, that will obviously depend on the voltage and multiplier used. I'd imagine you could get to 5 ghz but theres no way to say for sure.

The 10600KF is the overclockable version that doesn't include integrated graphics and can usually be had for a bit cheaper then the straight K version, if you can find one of those :)
 
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Well thanks a bunch for the little help.. I started buying nearly a year ago starting with the case, then more stuff around the holidays, finally finishing it up with the last few parts, chip/ram/cooler/DVD.

Now, this should really hold me over till i can get a 3060TI or something better for a reasonable price. But for now the games i'm playing this should do just fine. Gal Civ III and finally getting around to the witcher III, and picking up MS flight simulator perhaps this summer.

Here is the list for the build, I'll post some benchmarks when i get it all running. So thanks again for letting me bounce some thoughts off ya.

I altered the prices to reflect what i paid when i bought them.
PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: Intel Core i5-10600KF 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 )
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MASTERLIQUID ML240L RGB V2 65.59 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($68.00 ) -25 Cash back from PCG add! :p
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z490-A ATX LGA1200 Motherboard 145.00
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 CL16 Memory ($189.99)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($140.00)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB DUAL Video Card 275.00
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case ($45.00 )
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GA 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($95.00)
Optical Drive: Plextor PX-891SAF DVD/CD Writer ($34.00)

Build cost about 1200 total.
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-04-19 19:18 EDT-0400


Now to get a new mic, camera and Cap card and i should have my work station all finished :)
 
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