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[Colif]

Might save up and buy one of these

ROG Swift OLED PG32UCDP

ROG Swift OLED PG32UCDP features a 4K UHD panel, 240 Hz, 0.03 ms, Dual mode, OLED Anti-flicker technology, AI assistant feature plus a custom heatsink and ASUS OLED Care to reduce the risk of burn-in.

rog.asus.com

Though really I could buy it now, I feel one new purchase this month is enough. I still haven't installed the GPU so I use it for a while on this monitor before buying that one.

Not sure how often I would use the 1080p 480hz mode but I can always ignore it

some dual mode monitors coming next year offer 1000hz... but you need to run at 720p
So the race to be the fastest is leading to postage stamp size resolutions.
Is this really progress?

 

[Colif]

Seems to me we need to wait another 6 years before the feature is worth spending ludicrous amounts of money on. As it stands I am willing to wait. Seems Diablo 4 has it but according to video its almost impossible to tell. As he says, if you can't tell, what is the point of taking the performance hit?

Jumping from 60hz to 75hz does make a difference, but going to 100hz was the sweet spot. Most games I play probably will be locked at 100fps for the sake of smoothness. Some games I could hit the full 180fps so I'll take advantage of that on less intensive games. The screen seems clearer too, even though it's still 1080p. Overall very happy with it.

You may not need to lock them if the monitor uses vrr, it will match the output of the GPU and it will be smooth

 

[neogunhero]

Forgot to hit post on this yesterday lol.

For now I’m sticking with 1080p and I’m glad I did. My pc could handle 1440p but not in every game without compromising graphical settings. Compared to the old TV the quality is so much better even still being at 1080p so I’m glad I went with it.

The low response times makes using Frame Generation so much better. With the old tv, turning on frame gen resulted in massive latency lag. Now it’s almost unnoticeable when I turn it on in Oblivion Remastered. Plus with FreeSync I can use FSR without needed to enable vsync, or in the case with some games it wouldn’t allow me to turn on vsync with FSR enabled.

Another thing is being able to upgrade to FSR4 via the Radeon software if the game does not natively support it. Oblivion Remaster resulted in better clarity and a few extra frames when upgrading to FSR4.

I still have to play around with the settings to hit a sweet spot. Sometimes locking the frame rate below the full 180hz results in slight ghosting. Wonder if that's just a VA panel issue, I've heard someone mention that. After some tweaking I can get it to go away, typically by unlocking frame rate or dropping refresh rate in game. I dropped refresh rate to 120hz in Windows settings and set game to 120fps cap and that strangely resulted in some ghosting, but changing it back to 180hz removed it. My monitor does have overclocking settings, but I think I'll leave them alone for the sake of longevity of this screen.

The VA panel does produce very nice blacks and color, I mean as nice as a standard LED panel gets. Previous TV would show black as washed out and grey, this shows much more proper black to my eyes. So far I'm extremely pleased with it.

 

[Colif]

One fix for ghosting is to use overdrive, not sure if your monitor has it. It is a VA thing
enabling back light strobing can also help

Mine is VA, can't say I ever noticed.

2026 OLED meant to be better blacks so I see what happens this year. No rush for a new monitor

 

[Zed Clampet]

Forgot to hit post on this yesterday lol.

For now I’m sticking with 1080p and I’m glad I did. My pc could handle 1440p but not in every game without compromising graphical settings. Compared to the old TV the quality is so much better even still being at 1080p so I’m glad I went with it.

The low response times makes using Frame Generation so much better. With the old tv, turning on frame gen resulted in massive latency lag. Now it’s almost unnoticeable when I turn it on in Oblivion Remastered. Plus with FreeSync I can use FSR without needed to enable vsync, or in the case with some games it wouldn’t allow me to turn on vsync with FSR enabled.

Another thing is being able to upgrade to FSR4 via the Radeon software if the game does not natively support it. Oblivion Remaster resulted in better clarity and a few extra frames when upgrading to FSR4.

I still have to play around with the settings to hit a sweet spot. Sometimes locking the frame rate below the full 180hz results in slight ghosting. Wonder if that's just a VA panel issue, I've heard someone mention that. After some tweaking I can get it to go away, typically by unlocking frame rate or dropping refresh rate in game. I dropped refresh rate to 120hz in Windows settings and set game to 120fps cap and that strangely resulted in some ghosting, but changing it back to 180hz removed it. My monitor does have overclocking settings, but I think I'll leave them alone for the sake of longevity of this screen.

The VA panel does produce very nice blacks and color, I mean as nice as a standard LED panel gets. Previous TV would show black as washed out and grey, this shows much more proper black to my eyes. So far I'm extremely pleased with it.

Wait. You mean after all the crap I heard about Nvidia framegen from AMD people, AMD has framegen, too? Why aren't they protesting and making angry videos? Where is the lamentation of their women? Why aren't they talking about fake frames and lag? Why aren't they talking with great disdain about how blurry the images they haven't seen yet are? AMD gets a pass because why again? Because they prioritize consoles? What's the reasoning again?

 

[Colif]

AMD Have 2 different types of Frame Gen. They have the FSR version which is built into games, and then they have Fluid Motion Frames which is built into the drivers and allows you to use it on any game. Even if they don't have frame gen built in.

Difference is how accurate it is, as the version built into games can get more game data and looks better, whereas AFMF is guessing what is next. AFMF 3 is meant to change the guessing and be able to get game data meaning any game, regardless of whether its got frame gen built in, can use the tech.
AMD haven't officially announced 3 yet. Maybe at CES.

AFMF is part of Hyper RX which is a profile you can set for any games you play on the PC

https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adrenalin/hypr-rx.html

As such, it is enabled on my PC on any game I play but since I haven't played many games yet, I don't think its ever used AMD Fluid Motion Frames, and if it did, I never noticed.

Last game I played ran at 119fps which isn't going to force PC to create false frames when GPU can run faster than that without it.

Just cause AMD has the same features as Nvidia, that won't stop me complaining about Fake Frames. Its not right no matter who does it. Could say Nvidia were a bad influence on AMD.

 

[Zed Clampet]

AMD Have 2 different types of Frame Gen. They have the FSR version which is built into games, and then they have Fluid Motion Frames which is built into the drivers and allows you to use it on any game. Even if they don't have frame gen built in.

Difference is how accurate it is, as the version built into games can get more game data and looks better, whereas AFMF is guessing what is next. AFMF 3 is meant to change the guessing and be able to get game data meaning any game, regardless of whether its got frame gen built in, can use the tech.
AMD haven't officially announced 3 yet. Maybe at CES.

AFMF is part of Hyper RX which is a profile you can set for any games you play on the PC

https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adrenalin/hypr-rx.html

As such, it is enabled on my PC on any game I play but since I haven't played many games yet, I don't think its ever used AMD Fluid Motion Frames, and if it did, I never noticed.

Last game I played ran at 119fps which isn't going to force PC to create false frames when GPU can run faster than that without it.

Just cause AMD has the same features as Nvidia, that won't stop me complaining about Fake Frames. Its not right no matter who does it. Could say Nvidia were a bad influence on AMD.

By the way, I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the endless videos put out by YouTubers.

However, they will still have to guess the next frame, there is no way around that. They are just getting more data to make the guesses better, as I believe you pointed out. How they get more data by being baked into the game, I have no idea. All this stuff is always baked into the game. You have to submit screenshots and videos to Nvidia so that their framegen knows what everything looks like before it is put into the game. In any event, like you, I mostly play games that aren't demanding and cap the frames to match my monitor, although none of the games I'm currently playing have any sort of framegen anyway.

 

[Colif]

I watched a video on current version of AFMF and it seems it lets you choose, it can either repeat the previous frame or guess what the next frame will look like. Mine is set to repeat by default.

Guessing does add latency I assume. Might be better on the 9070 XT, I will have to check.

In the GN video he showed that in some games, upscaling looks better than native 4k which isn't supposed to happen. He blamed the AA

 

[Zed Clampet]

I watched a video on current version of AFMF and it seems it lets you choose, it can either repeat the previous frame or guess what the next frame will look like. Mine is set to repeat by default.

Guessing does add latency I assume. Might be better on the 9070 XT, I will have to check.

That sounds completely idiotic, to repeat the last frame. I'm sure that somehow that helps, but I don't understand it.

I've never seen those options in any of the games I play.

 

[Colif]

AFMF is driver level so that was in Adrenaline.

Its why it offers repeat, as opposed to guess.
If it was in the game, it wouldn't need to do either.