Need help with Gaming PC build for streaming.

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Hi all,

I'm new, but hoping people in the know can help me?

I am looking to buy a new gaming PC that will also be used for streaming & hoping you all can advise me whether this build is as good as I am told by the company offering it.

1x Bullguard Internet Security - Free 90 Day Licence
1x Fractal Design Define 7 Dark Tempered Glass Case - Black
1x Intel Core i9-10900K CPU 10 Cores / 20 Threads 3.7 - 5.3GHz
1x 250GB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS M.2 PCIe Solid State Drive
1x 1TB Samsung 870 QVO Solid State Drive
1x Seagate 2TB BarraCuda 7200RPM Hard Disk
1x Corsair RM650x 80 PLUS Gold 650W PSU
1x Windows 10 Home 64-bit
1x 5 Year Warranty 2 Years Collect and Return UK only*
1x 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Memory (2 x 16GB Sticks)
1x Corsair Hydro H115i RGB PLATINUM CPU Cooler
1x Asus ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO (WI-FI) Motherboard
1x PRE-ORDER - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X Graphics Card

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Giving a rating of 1-100 - how good is this computer/build suitable for what I am looking for?
Also, any advice or suggestions on possible upgrades would be most appreciated!

Thanks!
 
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Chillblast I assume

I'd recommend not buying it.

You're going to have to wait for the RTX 3080 anyway and so may as well see what AMD have up their sleeve with Zen 3 CPUs launching on 8th October.

What monitor - resolution and refresh rate - are you going to be gaming on?

Also need to know what the budget is and what price is quoted for the spec above.

Rating would have to be 0 until the above addressed :) (just because it's not possible to say whether it's suitable or not)
 
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I've been quoted £2945.70 inc VAT

My monitor at moment is Philips 273EL / 1920 x 1080 resolution
60.000 Hz refresh rate

I'm open to getting a new monitor if needed though.
 
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The RTX 3080 is totally wasted on a 1080p monitor.

It'd be like hiring a supertanker to move a glass of water.

You'd want 1440p high refresh as a minimum, with it also being suitable for 1440p ultrawide, or 4k. There are tons of good options out there, depending on your preferences. Happy to suggest some if you have a preference for the kind of spec?

Also, putting the same spec into a competitor website seems to be about £400 cheaper:

The Hero motherboard will almost certainly not be worth it versus less expensive alternatives. I mean, I assume you're not planning to overclock on LN2 or what have you.

32gb RAM is excessive for gaming and even streaming, though if you might also video edit on it there could be a role.

I'd go with an 850W RMx PSU as while 650 or 750 will do, 850W may give more headroom for future upgrades especially if Nvidia keep pushing the power budget(!).

But my single biggest recommendation is to not buy this and instead wait for October 8th to see what AMD show us with Zen 3. It may well be a better option for the uses you've set out (gaming plus streaming) and also offers certain forward-looking features like PCIe 4.0 that Intel does not. If dropping ~£3000 on a PC plus monitor it would make sense to wait a few weeks to be sure of what you're getting.
 
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I'd pass on that too.
Does the case support a 280mm rad? I also have the H115i. It's top mounted in a Corsair 500D RGB case.
 
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Does the case support a 280mm rad?

Compatibility
Front radiator Up to 360/280 mm
Top radiator Up to 360/420 mm
Companies like Chillblast, PC Specialist, Scan, Cyberpower PC, and so on sell custom PCs, and they usually have "configurators" for component selection - i.e. a set of drop down menus for each part. Their configurators will make sure the parts are compatible It wouldn't be very good for efficiency if they had to manually contact each customer to discuss alternative components because their website let you order any old stuff that doesn't work together.

While you're still free to order a trash spec that makes no sense if you want, it's usually the case that it can physically be built if their websites let you buy it :)
 
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To the OP, what are your thoughts on building your own PC?

I ask as I was recently in the same position as you are in. Having built a PC year's ago, I really just wanted something I could just hook up out of the box and start gaming on. The problem I kept encountering was everything I came across ended up being another no go. I decided to build my own. Just need to get the PCIe 4.0 2TB SSD, RAM, power Supply, CPU cooler and I can start building.
 
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spvtnik1

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The RTX 3080 is totally wasted on a 1080p monitor.
You seem to be saying this a lot as of recent :LOL:

What are your thoughts on spec'ing over your monitor specs with regards to streaming? Is the extra GPU power worth it still? Or is that budget better put towards things like a better CPU and/or capture card?

From what I know, most 4K capture cards won't go over 60fps. I'm sure that will change soon. But then, as a content creator, do you want to push those ultra settings at whatever resolution you can? I feel like there are a whole bunch of other factors to consider with streaming/capture workstation.

We're going to run in to this a lot, since so many people are now ready to upgrade from over two generations ago. Mostly I feel they should just go for it, get the 3080 or 3070 and make your monitor sweat tears of joy! Just start planning that monitor upgrade some time next spring, when I predict 4k monitor prices may finally take a deep nosedive. A 4k IPS LED panel still costs something like twice (nope, more like up to more than 4x) what I spent for my 1080p TN panel last year... so to me that upgrade is not quite the value I want yet.

Think of it this way.... you'll be able to do what you want to do with the 3080 and a 1080p monitor... but probably nothing with that GTX 900 series even if you had the biggest baddest 4k monitor. You could buy a 3070 (or lower if announced), but then when you do finally find a sweet deal on a 4k, you're gonna regret it (we'll have to wait and see what the benchmarks say). It will likely be very difficult but the longer you wait, the better of a build you'll be able to put together.

One last side question... if you're running a 1080p panel but a 4k capture card, will you be able to capture in 4k? Makes sense if you couldn't, but worth asking.
 
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You seem to be saying this a lot as of recent
No more than previously, when RTX 2070 Supers were going to be bought for 1080p 60. And so on. RTX 3080 is just the latest incarnation.

What are your thoughts on spec'ing over your monitor specs with regards to streaming? Is the extra GPU power worth it still? Or is that budget better put towards things like a better CPU and/or capture card?
Or 4th option, kept in the wallet. Or 5th option, economies in the build to allow both a GPU and a monitor upgrade. Or 6th option, just buy a better monitor too.

It depends how you're doing the streaming ofc. If you're using the GPU, the performance hit is generally fairly small. So overspeccing from (say) a 1660 Super for your 1080p 60hz gaming to an RTX 3080 isn't justified at all on that basis. Even going from 1660 Super to RTX 2060 (non-super) would probably more than offset the performance cost of Nvidia's video encoding.

If the OP is doing streaming on the CPU, they're buying an i9 10900k (or possible Zen 3 rival) which is not going to struggle with streaming, so investing more in the CPU isn't necessary here.

As for capture cards, you wouldn't normally use one if you are using a single PC setup; you'd just run the encoding on the CPU or GPU. Which is why when PCG ran the $1000 streaming build contest and recommended a capture card, almost everyone ignored the brief.

Think of it this way.... you'll be able to do what you want to do with the 3080 and a 1080p monitor... but probably nothing with that GTX 900 series even if you had the biggest baddest 4k monitor. You could buy a 3070 (or lower if announced), but then when you do finally find a sweet deal on a 4k, you're gonna regret it. I
This is the number 1 false logic you always see with "Imma buy a $XXX/X GPU and upgrade the monitor in a year".

What happens is that by the time you buy a monitor worthy of the graphics card, newer, faster, better GPUs will have come out in the interval and you may already be regretting your 3080 purchase.

Let's say your 900 series GPU died 6 months ago and you needed a new one for your 1080p 60hz. What if you bought a 2080 ti, with the plan to upgrade your monitor to 4k on a black friday deal? Or you decided to wait a few months for X new model. Or whatever - you bought the GPU before you needed anything close to its horsepower

That's 8 (or less) months of getting little benefit from it over a 1660 Super at 1080p 60hz (oh wow, you were able to turn up a couple of placebo settings you won't even notice in gameplay). And 6 months in, a new GPU releases that that 1) trounces your 2080 ti and 2) costs less even with the purchase of that 1660 Super to tide you over than an RTX 2080 ti does.

Time to panic sell on ebay.

Alternatively, you buy a 3080 now, and by the time you get a swanky 4k 144hz monitor or whatever your heart's desire is, the 3080 ti comes out, as have next gen titles which are beautiful but brutal, and you find that your 3080 just doesn't quite have the horsepower. And you wish you had that 3080 ti even if it was another £300.

Don't buy a GPU to "futureproof". Not for games, not for monitors.

Buy what you need, with a little headroom perhaps, but massively overspending on the GPU tends to be an own goal.

Same story for the CPU and RAM.

At least with storage you're probably(?) going to fill it up eventually, and storage is storage. If it doesn't die just outside of warranty before you ever needed the capacity you paid for and so lost cash that way...

You seem to be saying this a lot as of recent

What are your thoughts on spec'ing over your monitor specs with regards to streaming? Is the extra GPU power worth it still? Or is that budget better put towards things like a better CPU and/or capture card?

From what I know, most 4K capture cards won't go over 60fps. I'm sure that will change soon. But then, as a content creator, do you want to push those ultra settings at whatever resolution you can? I feel like there are a whole bunch of other factors to consider with streaming/capture workstation.

We're going to run in to this a lot, since so many people are now ready to upgrade from over two generations ago. Mostly I feel they should just go for it, get the 3080 or 3070 and make your monitor sweat tears of joy! Just start planning that monitor upgrade some time next spring, when I predict 4k monitor prices may finally take a deep nosedive. A 4k IPS LED panel still costs something like twice what I spent for my 1080p TN panel last year... so to me that upgrade is not quite the value I want yet.

Think of it this way.... you'll be able to do what you want to do with the 3080 and a 1080p monitor... but probably nothing with that GTX 900 series even if you had the biggest baddest 4k monitor. You could buy a 3070 (or lower if announced), but then when you do finally find a sweet deal on a 4k, you're gonna regret it. It will likely be very difficult but the longer you wait, the better of a build you'll be able to put together.
Ultimately, though, all of this is abstract. And interesting as it is to literally rehash the same points every time a GPU with a new number appears as if the basic principles about the myth of futureproofing have changed, it's not relevant to @SurrealScotsman

My recommendations here were:
1) Wait for Oct 8th before dropping £3000 on a system to see what your options are CPU/platform-wise
2) Economies within the build e.g. mobo and some tweaks.
3) Potential economies by shopping around with a different vendor (or - just to add - getting the current vendor to price match if they do that)
4) Buy an RTX 3080 and a monitor to let you appreciate what it can do for you. Either through various economies as above, and/or through just spending a bit more. The economies alone would pay for a gorgeous monitor.
 
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What happens is that by the time you buy a monitor worthy of the graphics card, newer, faster, better GPUs will have come out in the interval and you may already be regretting your 3080 purchase.

Let's say your 900 series GPU died 6 months ago and you needed a new one for your 1080p 60hz. What if you bought a 2080 ti, with the plan to upgrade your monitor to 4k on a black friday deal? Or you decided to wait a few months for X new model. Or whatever - you bought the GPU before you needed anything close to its horsepower

Alternatively, you buy a 3080 now, and by the time you get a swanky 4k 144hz monitor or whatever your heart's desire is, the 3080 ti comes out, as have next gen titles which are beautiful but brutal, and you find that your 3080 just doesn't quite have the horsepower. And you wish you had that 3080 ti even if it was another £300.
All true. All reasons I tend to refrain from building during a full announcement season. I wouldn't even worry about "catching a deal" this year as retailers are going to be spreading it out over the entire holiday.

But isn't that what everyone has pretty much been saying... "dont buy now, don't do it, new stuff about to be released... " if my 900 died 6 months ago... I would just replace it with used equipment (which is exactly what I did when I finally retired my 960 for a 970 a year ago).
 

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