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Frindis

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I guess that is one of the downsides of not having ownership over your company. It is much easier to develop a game when you have support money-wise, but when you don't meet the expectations of shareholders, then someone has to pay the piper. Perhaps if more developers get unionized it would be much harder for these companies to cut also, but I guess if you even as much as squint in that direction nobody would ever hire you in the private sector. I also guess some layoffs are healthy, especially considering all the political garble that has been going on in many of the companies taking away the focus on players to push their agendas. Some companies like Ubisoft had it coming for a long time.

Some games do quite well under ownership also, like Grinding Gear Games which Tencent owns 86,67% of. Not only is GGG quite successful, but they also have a deep understanding of how to engage with the players. If you look at Path of Exile 2 early access and how they take in player feedback and make changes based on it, it is quite refreshing. When they make mistakes, they don't blame players or some external factor they have no way to control. They cut to the chase and admit they could do better and so they do exactly that.
 
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I was watching an Adam Conover interview with Jason Schrier yesterday, only got about 15 minutes in, but something Schrier mentioned as the other side of the coin with these layoffs is that there are also more people working in games than ever in its history.

Not a value judgement from me, just shifts perspective a bit.
 
I guess that is one of the downsides of not having ownership over your company. It is much easier to develop a game when you have support money-wise, but when you don't meet the expectations of shareholders, then someone has to pay the piper. Perhaps if more developers get unionized it would be much harder for these companies to cut also, but I guess if you even as much as squint in that direction nobody would ever hire you in the private sector. I also guess some layoffs are healthy, especially considering all the political garble that has been going on in many of the companies taking away the focus on players to push their agendas. Some companies like Ubisoft had it coming for a long time.

Some games do quite well under ownership also, like Grinding Gear Games which Tencent owns 86,67% of. Not only is GGG quite successful, but they also have a deep understanding of how to engage with the players. If you look at Path of Exile 2 early access and how they take in player feedback and make changes based on it, it is quite refreshing. When they make mistakes, they don't blame players or some external factor they have no way to control. They cut to the chase and admit they could do better and so they do exactly that.
I can't remember where I heard this, but apparently Tencent is likely the best company to be bought by if you have to be bought. They leave the companies alone to do their own thing.

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One thing about layoffs, I've heard that there were a lot of investment firms pumping cash into medium to large developers, and that investment money has stopped coming in. I think the developers grew their staffs under the assumption the investment money would always be there. This is what happened with Telltale and Embracer, so I'm assuming that it's happening to at least some of these developers having to lay people off.

Most of them just aren't being successful with their games, though. No money coming in means you have to lighten the personnel load.
 
Embracer was expecting a big investment from Saudi Arabia that fell through.

Holy hell thats a big list.

Yeah, that's a big part of the investment group thing I was talking about. "Savvy is owned by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth Public Investment Fund and is the vehicle through which the Middle Eastern country funnels investments in the video games industry."

It wouldn't surprise me if Savvy or similar investment groups were behind much of this industry downturn.
 
Yea havent heard much in the news about Embracer in a while, just seems its a trickle of everyone else now.





Intel Arc b850 is out, driver issues for Dave here at PCG, the Toms Hardware review mentions some issues but not quite as bad over their 17 game suite.

TPU has it about 5% on average over an RTX 4060 and mentions they sent out hotfixes for some of the driver issues within days so that sounds promising.

Not getting one this gen, but I hope that Intel stick around to keep improving these so theyre a good option going forwards.
 
Yea havent heard much in the news about Embracer in a while, just seems its a trickle of everyone else now.





Intel Arc b850 is out, driver issues for Dave here at PCG, the Toms Hardware review mentions some issues but not quite as bad over their 17 game suite.

TPU has it about 5% on average over an RTX 4060 and mentions they sent out hotfixes for some of the driver issues within days so that sounds promising.

Not getting one this gen, but I hope that Intel stick around to keep improving these so theyre a good option going forwards.
Question: They were rumored to have a card that would challenge the 4070. Since they are so late bringing these to market, do you think maybe they are keeping that one under wraps to try to challenge, maybe, the 5060? Then they would have at least one relevant card while working on next gen (hopefully faster work than on this gen)
 
Question: They were rumored to have a card that would challenge the 4070. Since they are so late bringing these to market, do you think maybe they are keeping that one under wraps to try to challenge, maybe, the 5060? Then they would have at least one relevant card while working on next gen (hopefully faster work than on this gen)
No idea, its possible I suppose.

Main problem I can see straight away would be that this B580 is almost using the same amount of power as a 4070, and the 4070 puts out about 50% more frames on average according to the TPU testing. So anything getting close to 4070 performance is going to be using a lot of power to get there using the same architecture and also a wider memory bus. Maybe thats why they shelved it?

I suppose if they made it on a future different/better process node that would potentially save some power and make it more viable.

Dont know, Im just an enthusiastic nerd not an engineer but thats my ramblings.
 

Zloth

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Like Jody Macgregor, I used to call isometric looter RPGs (AKA ARPGs, AKA Diablo-likes) Hack & Slash games, but it seems people now use it for what I would call Beat Em Ups.
Funny, when I think of Hack and Slash its more like Golden Axe or Barbarian from ancient history or more recently maybe Devil May Cry or maybe musou games without RPG elements. It might depend on what magazines you read in the 90s.

I was agreeing with Harvey Randall in the article, ARPG is Diablo and clones, Action RPG is Dark Souls or whatever. Its just they way its connected up in my head now.
 
Its all changed so much since Diablo 2 that its just words now.
Last 2 Blizzard games got the name but the game wasn't the same.
Some say POE is the true successor but I don't... that was Torchlight. 10 years ago. After all, people who worked on Diablo 2 made it, probably more than worked on Diablo 3.

Now so many have extra game play modes that weren't in Diablo 2 that it doesn't even feel like same genre now. Why I wait for Titan Quest 2. At least I sort of understand what it might be.

As long as the terms are seperate enough so that the people who want to play them know how to tell them apart. RPG the term is a smorgasbord, so adding an A to it shouldn't be so confusing, and yet...
 

Zloth

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First, to be either a tactical RPG or an action RPG, it has to be an RPG and it has to be more about the combat than the dialog/exploration/crafting/whatnot. If the game is turn based then it's a tactical RPG. If it's constant action, then it's an action RPG. If it's got pause-on-space or Tower of Time's slow-on space, then it's switching between tactical and action depending on how often you're hitting the space bar.

Camera is covered by its own word. Diablo would be an isometric action RPG. (It doesn't matter if it's really 3D instead of using isometric graphic shortcuts - if the camera is far away now, it's isometric.)

Oh, wait! Unless it comes from Japan. Then it's a JRPG. Because that's what we do. Maybe for Korea and China, too. I doubt they'll like it much (even Japan doesn't like it anymore) but there it is. <shrug>
 

Frindis

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Good! Borderlands 3 had pretty decent loot, guns, and a couple of interesting characters, but the story and the constant ridiculous potty humor made the game a big turd. Borderlands series is NOT made for children!

When it comes to the Borderlands 4 trailer I am sceptical because they look like bloody characters of stupid marketing decisions. Get some real brass balls into Borderlands 4, and make it dark but humorous like what the serious is known for.
 

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Frindis

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It might be the best deal on Steam, but it is not the best deal. On Epic Games you get Vampire Survivors for free until 12/20/2024 at 8:00 AM.

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