Steam games purchasing

I just seen in pc gamer magazine that steam purchasing conditions ... if thats what you want to call them are changing , it also shows a screenshot from a steam client about this , i must have had my eyes shut when i opened steam as i had not noticed it before.The article on page 9 by Andy Chalk seems to suggest that at any time a game maker can somehow stop us using something we had paid for. If somebody takes ANYTHING from me that i own it is classed as theft .... do the same rules apply here.

It reminds me of the days when you took a game back because the disc was faulty but could not get a refund.
A young lad paid for a game and before walking away from the counter he asked if he could have a refund if it did not work on his pc and he was told no because once you open the box your the licence holder. He asked for his money back as he did not want to risk it not working , he was refused a refund until his dad intervened and point out he had not opened the box.

Many years ago when i was " in a dark place " i took a game back that crashed out because 1 of the 3 discs was faulty. I was refused a refund because he said licences are not transferable. I point out that this was rubbish because you cant resell a faulty disc. He repeated his comments that you buy a licence not the game. By this time mr angry was beginning to come out of the box , i asked if it meant that 100 people spend 1 year or more making a game and i " buy " permission to use it and get the game for free......... i am not proud to admit this but i was escorted from the store.

I have only ever got a refund for 1 game , it was some sort of space game and its title was a year number ..... i opened the case and inside was a note on the instruction booklet to say for best results you need to turn off your anti virus. The store manager agreed this was stupid and i got a refund ... he also pulled the rest of the copies from the shelf.
 
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I have never refunded a game but I have bought an empty box.
Zelda TOOT Gold Cart. I bought it, got home and box was empty... ring shop and point out they hadn't given me the game. Lucky they knew me since I was there almost every day, I just had to take box back and they swapped it. Just wasted time.

I don't get magazine so hard to comment on article that might show up one website... not sure how it works. What time gap is given so Magazine actually makes sense to read still.

I know steam changed their contracting for Season Passes, but thats to make it better for gamers and harder for companies to sell scams, they get penalised if their promises aren't kept. I wonder if these changes are cause so many AAA companies use Steam instead of their own launchers now... oh Hi Ubisoft.

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I have never refunded a game but I have bought an empty box.
Zelda TOOT Gold Cart. I bought it, got home and box was empty... ring shop and point out they hadn't given me the game. Lucky they knew me since I was there almost every day, I just had to take box back and they swapped it. Just wasted time.

I don't get magazine so hard to comment on article that might show up one website... not sure how it works. What time gap is given so Magazine actually makes sense to read still.

I know steam changed their contracting for Season Passes, but thats to make it better for gamers and harder for companies to sell scams, they get penalised if their promises aren't kept. I wonder if these changes are cause so many AAA companies use Steam instead of their own launchers now... oh Hi Ubisoft.

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Hi Colif .... i once replaced my genesis cd's as my collection had been stolen. One day i got home and a case was empty but when i went back the guy who served me had gone home. I said i can prove i am telling the truth , count your empty cases on the shelf and count the discs in the back and you will have 1 disc too many ,,,, its mine.
 
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i had pre ordered mine, they just didn't swap the empty display box for a full one. Every other time I opened it up before leaving shop to make sure it was a full box - or on way to bus stop. Getting home and having to go back to shop just wastes time... That is one thing you generally don't have to worry about with digital copies. Unless its a mobile game and you get something completely different. Lucky dip for games.
 
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i had pre ordered mine, they just didn't swap the empty display box for a full one. Every other time I opened it up before leaving shop to make sure it was a full box - or on way to bus stop. Getting home and having to go back to shop just wastes time... That is one thing you generally don't have to worry about with digital copies. Unless its a mobile game and you get something completely different. Lucky dip for games.
I just remembered something else that was technically empty. I got a pre-recorded cassette and it had no music tape on it ... just the leader , when i took it back the shop guy said it happened regular when a new spool of tape got loaded into the machines
 
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i suppose this is where stopkillinggames.com initiative overlaps. We should be able to play for something we bought. We don't want perpetual running of games nor are we saying we own the copyright or the IP, i just want to play your game even after you stop supporting it. Tbh i suspect its always has been a clause; we only own a license to use it. We don't technically own anything and they can take it away without reason. As they mention is a game a service or a product?

Most devs/publishers aren't stupid or suicidal enough to do so without good reason. Well maybe EA (dark spore, simpsons tapped out) and Ubisoft (the crew) and a few other turds, but for the most part most developers, are ok and find ways or just disable the online bits. if i have to download the files onto my machine, there no reason why it couldn't be set up for local play.

But back to the article, prior to cd keys etc i was more then able to return a game within reason within the 6 days with a receipt. But since online activation, i'm more reserved as to buying from stores unless i'm absolutely sure i can play it. Faulty game wise, i've been lucky and avoided it, but if one of my CDs was damaged or busted, i probably might go looking for pirate isos to get a working version of that cd...
 
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It was easy to return unopened games, but I don't think I ever got cash for them, just store credit. There was always plenty to buy, though, so that was fine with me. I think I only had one or two games that were outright defective. When I brought them back plus the receipt, I got store credit. (The duplicates didn't need a receipt.)
 
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I just seen in pc gamer magazine that steam purchasing conditions ... if thats what you want to call them are changing , it also shows a screenshot from a steam client about this , i must have had my eyes shut when i opened steam as i had not noticed it before.The article on page 9 by Andy Chalk seems to suggest that at any time a game maker can somehow stop us using something we had paid for. If somebody takes ANYTHING from me that i own it is classed as theft .... do the same rules apply here.

It reminds me of the days when you took a game back because the disc was faulty but could not get a refund.
A young lad paid for a game and before walking away from the counter he asked if he could have a refund if it did not work on his pc and he was told no because once you open the box your the licence holder. He asked for his money back as he did not want to risk it not working , he was refused a refund until his dad intervened and point out he had not opened the box.

Many years ago when i was " in a dark place " i took a game back that crashed out because 1 of the 3 discs was faulty. I was refused a refund because he said licences are not transferable. I point out that this was rubbish because you cant resell a faulty disc. He repeated his comments that you buy a licence not the game. By this time mr angry was beginning to come out of the box , i asked if it meant that 100 people spend 1 year or more making a game and i " buy " permission to use it and get the game for free......... i am not proud to admit this but i was escorted from the store.

I have only ever got a refund for 1 game , it was some sort of space game and its title was a year number ..... i opened the case and inside was a note on the instruction booklet to say for best results you need to turn off your anti virus. The store manager agreed this was stupid and i got a refund ... he also pulled the rest of the copies from the shelf.
Sorry, in a hurry and didn't read all of this, but digital purchases are always licenses and have been since the beginning of Steam. The only things you really have to worry about, though, are games that are always online. If the publisher closes the servers, you will not be able to play anymore and they will delist the game from Steam.
 
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Sorry, in a hurry and didn't read all of this, but digital purchases are always licenses and have been since the beginning of Steam. The only things you really have to worry about, though, are games that are always online. If the publisher closes the servers, you will not be able to play anymore and they will delist the game from Steam.
A few years ago i got my figures burnt twice with online games micro purchases , i spent ££££ on tanki x and world of battles because i though they were worth it...... a few weeks later they both posted notices to say they were shutting the servers down.
 

Zloth

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Sorry, in a hurry and didn't read all of this, but digital purchases are always licenses and have been since the beginning of Steam. The only things you really have to worry about, though, are games that are always online. If the publisher closes the servers, you will not be able to play anymore and they will delist the game from Steam.
Well, that's the only thing we've had to worry about so far. Especially for games you already have. The only way those go away is if there's some sort of legal issue with them. Valve will bow to each nation's "legal," too, so China isn't going to see anything the Chinese government doesn't like - at least not for long. What will happen if the USA's government decides something similar is unknown.
 
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