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[Zed Clampet]

'The game is ass on anything else but a 9800X3D': Esports players are complaining about using Intel CPUs at sponsored tournaments rather than AMD X3D chips, with multiple claims of crashing and significantly worse performance

Intel might be inside, but some wish it wasn't.

www.pcgamer.com

EUREKA!

Now I finally understand the 9800x3D hype. It doesn't apply to me, but I get it now.

So here is the explanation:

Almost all games are GPU bound. This means that in these games, the 9800x3D doesn't provide any benefit over a similar priced Intel CPU (although the Intel CPUs from a certain period of time were garbage and crashing quite frequently).

HOWEVER, the exception to this rule is how Esports players set up their games. They basically trash the graphics so that they can get higher FPS. They make the graphics settings so easy on the GPU that these games become CPU bound. This is where you see phenomenal differences between the 9800x3D and similarly priced Intel chips. You get vastly higher FPS with the 9800x3D, which is very impressive.

For me, it doesn't come into play. I always play my games with the graphics turned up. My games are always GPU bound. My AI work also is primarily performed by the GPU, although there are a couple of processes that I am questioning whether the 9800x3D might help. It certainly wouldn't hurt, but the next thing I'm doing to this PC is upgrading to a 5080 Super or whatever that ends up being (so long as it has a minimum of 24 GB of VRAM). That's my top priority by a long shot, although I may add another 32 GB of RAM in the meantime since that is fairly cheap. After that, I'll revisit the CPU.

 

[Colif]

Why bother having best gaming CPU/GPU when most of the games that need them are crap now, and most indie titles don't need either.

 

[Zed Clampet]

Why bother having best gaming CPU/GPU when most of the games that need them are crap now, and most indie titles don't need either.

For me I want to be able to run AI training and play a game at the same time. Right now I don't have enough VRAM to do that. If I get enough VRAM, then there is a good chance that the extra processing power of the 9800x3D may well come into play.

Also, there have been many times when I wished I could run a dedicated game server, so I might take my old stuff and make a server out of it. FunCom is under a lot of pressure to let people make their own Dune Awakening servers, for instance.

However, I suspect that most AI programs will max out any GPU that I have, so the whole thing is possibly not doable.

 

[Colif]

I was going to buy one of these:

UTESPELARE gaming desk, ash effect/grey, 160x80 cm - IKEA

UTESPELARE gaming desk, ash effect/grey, 160x80 cm

www.ikea.com

But I don't think I want to take my entire room apart to put it together, and getting it out again would be a pain...
So instead I might buy a TV cabinet instead and use it to be my PC table - I wanted to put all my music hardware on it too, it hadn't occurred to me to put it all underneath instead

Shame most of them expect me to build the bloody thing after, that or they charge a fortune. There is a 3rd option... don't do anything and just put up with what I have and save my money.

 

[Zed Clampet]

I was going to buy one of these:

UTESPELARE gaming desk, ash effect/grey, 160x80 cm - IKEA

UTESPELARE gaming desk, ash effect/grey, 160x80 cm

www.ikea.com

But I don't think I want to take my entire room apart to put it together, and getting it out again would be a pain...
So instead I might buy a TV cabinet instead and use it to be my PC table - I wanted to put all my music hardware on it too, it hadn't occurred to me to put it all underneath instead

Shame most of them expect me to build the bloody thing after, that or they charge a fortune. There is a 3rd option... don't do anything and just put up with what I have and save my money.

That's a beautiful desk, but maybe with all your audio stuff you need something like this . Maybe not that one exactly, but I like the looks of it. It a little less wide but quite a bit deeper than the one you listed.

 

[Colif]

Something like
https://www.alfordson.com.au/alfordson-entertainment-unit-tv-cabinet-stand-180c~222582
Is all I need, put monitor on top and I can put the audio gear on the shelves, and have 4 drawers to use for... I am sure I can think of something.

I am being given a new set of drawers, but its possible all my junk won't fit in them from my current drawers, which I intend to throw out. I am discarding two pieces of furniture and just need the desktop space to put my monitor and audio gear.

I don't want a table as such as I don't have the floor space free for a chair... nor do I want to buy a chair. The cabinet will be sitting right next to my bed, it will never have a TV on it.
My room dimensions are the biggest restriction. I don't have a lot of space so the Ikea desk would have been difficult to get into here. and if constructed in here, unlikely to ever get out again.

 

[Zed Clampet]

Something like
https://www.alfordson.com.au/alfordson-entertainment-unit-tv-cabinet-stand-180c~222582
Is all I need, put monitor on top and I can put the audio gear on the shelves, and have 4 drawers to use for... I am sure I can think of something.

I am being given a new set of drawers, but its possible all my junk won't fit in them from my current drawers, which I intend to throw out. I am discarding two pieces of furniture and just need the desktop space to put my monitor and audio gear.

I don't want a table as such as I don't have the floor space free for a chair... nor do I want to buy a chair. The cabinet will be sitting right next to my bed, it will never have a TV on it.
My room dimensions are the biggest restriction. I don't have a lot of space so the Ikea desk would have been difficult to get into here. and if constructed in here, unlikely to ever get out again.

So the way you use it you don't need space for your legs?

 

[Colif]

So the way you use it you don't need space for your legs?

exactly, I lie on my bed with a keyboard on lap. I have done it this way for about 23 years at least.
The 1st computer table I ever had was one of these:

which, while offering plenty of space for mum's PC, soon started to be too small for my PC cases about... 23 years ago. So I used to use that as the stand for monitors, and have PC next to it, but eventually my monitors also wouldn't fit in the space + my speakers either side, so I swapped to using the box my PC sits on now as monitor stand, until I got the current Coffee Table I use now.

The thought of actually getting a desk never crossed my mind until last year sometime.

 

[Zed Clampet]

exactly, I lie on my bed with a keyboard on lap. I have done it this way for about 23 years at least.
The 1st computer table I ever had was one of these:

which, while offering plenty of space for mum's PC, soon started to be too small for my PC cases about... 23 years ago. So I used to use that as the stand for monitors, and have PC next to it, but eventually my monitors also wouldn't fit in the space + my speakers either side, so I swapped to using the box my PC sits on now as monitor stand, until I got the current Coffee Table I use now.

The thought of actually getting a desk never crossed my mind until last year sometime.

Wow, I don't even remember PC cases ever being that small, but I guess my old Atari and Apple computers were about that size and had the keyboards on them.

 

[Colif]

Mums Dell is smaller than an A4 size piece of paper, and its only 8 years old. Its got no Graphics card, and its always been slower than a PC I bought 2 years before it.
I am replacing that with my old PC soon... she just isn't in a rush. End of Life Win 10 is reason I am replacing it, it can't be upgraded. And its so slow...

 

[Zed Clampet]

I'm guessing it has an HDD? A W10 PC without a decent system drive sounds unbearable. You probably turn it on and leave for 15 minutes.

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I'm getting annoyed with fan control. Every reboot stuff changes, and I have to go through it again. I probably need to figure out how to do it in the Bios.

 

[Colif]

Yes its a hdd... I should have swapped an ssd in at some stage but I didn't want to go through hassle of cloning drive and swapping it in... and mum doesn't like me playing with her PC, and often asks my brother instead... which is fine by me.
She doesn't realise the speed difference between what she has now and what I want to give her. I expect she might be more willing to swap if she knew... from a hdd to a PCIe 3 nvme in one jump.
Maybe I show her how fast it starts tomorrow... I need to use it for my course presentation tomorrow... easier to move it than my current one.

she rarely uses now, she been using a tablet my brother gave her. So its not really a priority to swap yet.

Why not use the GCC? Since I know you have it. It takes over from BIOS at start, its already running for my lighting so I still haven't set up BIOS yet. Need to flash BIOS soon so would be a waste of time.

 

[Zed Clampet]

Why not use the GCC?

I don't remember exactly. Didn't you tell me it had a security problem? Or maybe that it kept trying to install bloatware?

 

[Colif]

GCC actually didn't try to install Norton Antivirus last time so maybe they fixed it. I just ran it then and it didn't even show Norton as an option... yay.
And it only did that if you ran its update function.
GCC doesn't have any security problems AFAIK.