October 2023 PCG Article Links and Discussion

[Kaamos_Llama]

@Kaamos_Llama better upgrade to Nvidia just in case haha

I've been looking at 4070's because its been 4 years since I had an Nvidia card . My rig was Intel/Nvidia from about 2014 until 2020 if youre thinking I have a horse in any fanboy race

Nvidia is several techs beyond RT now. AMD is struggling to stay relevant, hence the article.

Long one incoming, oops.

I said similar before but the main consoles are AMD and stuff like DLSS is proprietary. I cant see it becoming the default upscaling/frame gen tech over tech agnostic stuff like FSR/Fluid motion which everyone can use eventually. I imagine developers want everyone to play the best versions of their games for the most part, why would they all want to participate in walling features off for Nvidias benefit?

Gsync was the only game in VRR for a short while for a massive premium, I dont think too many care about it now as long as a monitor is 'compatible'. NVidia did tesselation way better than AMD 10-15 years ago. Probably no one remembers because its irrelevant now, much the same as PhysX which was another tech with Nvidia only features after they bought it that became irrelevant after they stopped paying devs to include them.

Nvidia have been mostly ahead for about the last 15 years and people have been saying AMD are down and out a lot of that time. They said the same about their CPU's for several years as well before Ryzen (stock was at $2 at one point) but Bulldozer really was awful, nothing compared to the current GPU's which are actually good options at their price points. People talk about AMD RT as if its pointless even using it, but they arent really that far behind price performance wise.

As to whether AMD will drop out of graphics who knows, probably not soon at least. Things arent really worse for them GPU market share wise then they have been in the last 15 tears as far as I can see, it was worse in 2015 for a few years. There has been a sharp drop off, could be machine learning will kill AMD altogether very quickly, but for gaming at least theyre doing OK.

Course I'm just some forum mook who follows these things with one eye, can easily be something I'm missing and no one knows the future

 

[Colif]

Not sure if Fluid Motion will become like FSR and available to Nvidia cards as it currently runs at driver level. Why should they share that when Nvidia cards already have it... some anyway.

AMD RT is at 3080 level, thats not bad for starting after Nvidia did.

Some games appear to be Nvidia tech demos. Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2

You need beast PC just to use it though.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

Just going by what Ive read

Everything you need to know about AMD's FSR 3 upscaling and Fluid Motion Frames technology

Taking the fight to Nvidia's DLSS 3 with Frame Generation at last.

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What GPUs are compatible with AMD Fluid Motion Frames?​

AMD says Fluid Motion Frames is compatible with most modern AMD and Nvidia GPUs. There's no word on Intel GPUs, but in principle Intel's Arc graphics should be able to run Fluid Motion Frames. In practice, it may be more complicated and depend on factors like latency reduction. For the record, these are the GPUs AMD has thus far listed.


AMD:
Radeon RX 5700 onwards supported
Radeon RX 6000-series onwards recommended


Nvidia:
GeForce RTX 20-series onwards supported
GeForce RTX 30-series onwards recommended

Wait, so I can use AMD Fluid Motion frames on my Nvidia GPU?​

Yup, you absolutely can. But the big question mark is latency. All frame generating/interpolating technologies create at least a little latency. That's why Nvidia insists that its Frame Generation only works in concert with Reflex, which is a latency-reducing technology.


AMD has its own new Anti-Lag+ feature. But that's exclusive to AMD GPUs. So, for FMF to run well on an Nvidia GPU, you'll need to use Reflex. How well will Nvidia Reflex work with AMD FMF? That very much remains to be seen. It's all pretty complicated.

 

[Colif]

okay, so i guess i was wrong again.

No idea. I don't know why its in drivers if its for everyone... Nvidia can't run AMD drivers. Could be they still testing it, not sure... I don't have it as you need to use special drivers to enable it in games.

might be the driver version lets AMD users use it in any dx11/12 game - https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-la...nables-frame-generation-for-all-dx11-12-games

the non AMD cards might need it to be in the game?

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

okay, so i guess i was wrong again.

No idea. I don't know why its in drivers if its for everyone... Nvidia can't run AMD drivers. Could be they still testing it, not sure... I don't have it as you need to use special drivers to enable it in games.

might be the driver version lets AMD users use it in any dx11/12 game - https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-la...nables-frame-generation-for-all-dx11-12-games

the non AMD cards might need it to be in the game?

Yea as far as I can see from a quick look, the driver version you can force it on in any DX11 or over game. The other version has to be implemented in the game settings by developers, that one will work on Nvidia or AMD, and possibly Intel as well.

 

[Colif]

i wouldn't mind trying it but I will wait until its in normal drivers. It seems to work well in racing games.

 

[ZedClampet]

Alan Wake 2 is a stunning example of what the future of PC gaming looks like—but only on Nvidia

The RTX 40-series' features come together to make something beautiful in Alan Wake 2. I just wish it was something more players could experience for themselves.

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And the remarkable thing is that with DLSS and Path Gen, it's all very playable, assuming, of course, that you have a 40xx card.

 

[Zloth]

Were those boxers with the butterflies on them yours? They're in a box just inside the garage door.

And now we get this article?

Microsoft Edge now wants to know why you're leaving, temptation to say 'it's not you it's me' increases

At this rate we're only a few steps away from sad face emojis and a barrage of late night drunken texts.

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[Pifanjr]

And now we get this article?

Microsoft Edge now wants to know why you're leaving, temptation to say 'it's not you it's me' increases

At this rate we're only a few steps away from sad face emojis and a barrage of late night drunken texts.

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With Google's attempts to disable adblockers, I suspect Firefox' market share will grow in the coming years, though it's probably not going to be the biggest browser anytime soon, if ever.

 

[Pifanjr]

The Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria review

Surviving in the long dark of Khazad-dûm is atmospheric and authentic, but too rough around the edges to be satisfying.

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The Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria got a 58 from PCGamer, which seems in line with the little bit I was able to find when it released. Most of the complaints seem like things that can be fixed if the developers commit to updating the game though.

 

[Pifanjr]

Dark Messiah was 'horny, generic, linear, unbalanced' and may have been forgotten by Arkane, but it's inspiring a new generation of developers

Sorceress is the latest game to resurrect the “tavern-brawl” approach to the immersive sim.

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I love Dark Messiah of Might and Magic and have also lamented there isn't really anything else quite like it, so it seems I have some new games to check out.

 

[Zloth]

US President Joe Biden signs executive order 'to protect Americans from the potential risks of AI systems'

The executive order comes the same day as an agreement among G7 nations to establish guidelines for AI development.

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At last, it will finally be safe (at least for us Americans) to play games by From Software! Max difficulty, no deaths, no problem!