November 2025 General Games Discussion Thread

[Kaamos_Llama]

Yep. Against the Godskins, I was able to summon Dung Eater and recusant Bernahl, so the brothers took on the boss pair, which worked out great after two or three tries.

Spoiler: same quest spoiler

Alexander put a scare into me! I always use black flame on pots but, when I tried it on him, it barely scratched him! I guess that's why he was hanging out in the lava pools earlier in the game. After he left me hanging against the Fire Giant, though, I didn't feel quite so bad for him. And then that crock pot went and blew his guts all over my outfit!!

Malekith's fight (big spoiler at the end) was... ugh. It didn't take long to get good enough to win, but there was a sequence of attacks he would do that I could only partially dodge - and that wasn't enough to survive all the attacks, even from full health. If I only did a few attacks and let Dung Eater tank, he wouldn't survive long enough to whittle that monster down, so I had to draw some agro. It just became a matter of whether I could get a pillar between me and the rest of the attack, which took quite a few tries before it happened to work out. (I think Dung Eater might have gotten some fancy dodges done, too - he should have be destroyed while I was behind that pillar, chugging down potions.)

I think how a fight goes depends a lot on how youre playing and your build, figuring out how to avoid the attacks with timing is fun to me, most of the time. OTOH I really struggled with the Duo, took me a long time because I kept getting blind sided. I hate that flabby wheely move, haunts me to this day.

 

[Pifanjr]

I played a bit more of my Mount & Blade 2: Bannerlord game. I'm not sure what I'm doing right, but for some reason my party absolutely obliterates every enemy party I encounter. I can now lead up to 188 men and whenever I fight enemies of comparable size I typically lose single-digit numbers. I stumbled upon a friendly siege being attacked by an enemy army, which resulted in about 700 of our units fighting against 600 enemies and when we won I had lost about 30 men and the rest of the army was pretty much obliterated, though because we won about half the units were merely wounded.

Even so, when I accidentally got too close to an enemy army of about 500 units I decided to buy my way out of it. It cost me most of my money, but since I'm playing on ironman mode I didn't want to risk losing my entire army.

The kingdom I've joined is still winning every war it starts, but expansion is slow and we occasionally lose a castle as well. From what I understand it's possible to convince other clans to switch sides, so maybe I should try convincing some of them to join my faction so we have more troops to defend our lands.

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I also played a bit more of Heat Signature. I have liberated one of the four strongholds necessary to win the game, sadly sacrificing the character I was playing at that moment. It was a pretty rough mission because all of the enemies had armour and my only useful weapon was a grenade launcher with 5 grenades. I got shot twice before I somehow managed to make it to the pilot chair and put the ship on a collision course with the stronghold. I dodged my way around the remaining guards back to my ship, but I hadn't been paying attention to the timer. I had just entered my ship and was a second away from launching when we crashed into the stronghold.

 

[neogunhero]

I've put 11 hours in Arc Raiders since Thursday night. You can say I'm a bit addicted.

This game is awesome. Majority of players I run into are friendly and really nice, sometimes they give free items or help fight arcs with you. Every now and then you get attacked out of nowhere and have to fight back, but that's just the nature of the game. I'm glad that most people are friendly though, I don't feel so paranoid trying to watch my back everywhere I go. I can ease up a bit and just enjoy looting and fighting arcs.

I'm starting to learn a bit more about what to get and what to leave. I've unlocked all the workshops and now trying to level them up. The perks are nice but I do wish for a respec feature, it's hard to figure out which upgrade path you should take.

I encountered my first leaper arc yesterday, and those things are insane. The leaper is so cool because it's not forced to perform pre-made animations, instead its body is physics based so it looks so much more natural. It leaps at you, hurling itself hundreds of feet up in the air, and it's legs naturally land on any surface it touches. If they weren't so damn deadly I'd have fun just watching them jump around.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/twdbHKhRF4Y

 

[Zloth]

Gonna have to call you out there. SteamOS is just Linux and pretty much any game that works on Windows will work on Linux, the big exceptions being AAA games that require Anticheat stuff.

I was surprised to hear Elden Ring is popular on the Steam Deck! Not only does it have anti-cheat software, which is liable to get all "kernally" and not translate, but the game isn't very pause-friendly. You CAN pause the game, but it's more of a side-effect and not widely known. I would think hand-helds would be better for the kind of game that's easy to pause anytime.

I think how a fight goes depends a lot on how youre playing and your build, figuring out how to avoid the attacks with timing is fun to me, most of the time. OTOH I really struggled with the Duo, took me a long time because I kept getting blind sided. I hate that flabby wheely move, haunts me to this day.

That's for sure. Gideon's staff has an attack that makes you and the enemies semi-close to you more susceptible to magic attacks. That should work great against melee users that are going to stay close. Against another mage, it's just going take up animation time IF the enemy is in range. Gideon died fast last night.

Afterward, I popped nearly all my golden runes. +7 levels, so I'm now at 149.

 

[Pifanjr]

I played a bit more of Cyberpunk 2077 today during my break. I don't know which quest lines actually have an impact on the ending, so I've just been picking up some of the easier ones to cross off. The only one I definitely want to finish is to kill Adam Smasher, but that one seemed like it might take a while so I've saved it for later.

 

[Frindis]

I've put 11 hours in Arc Raiders since Thursday night. You can say I'm a bit addicted.

This game is awesome. Majority of players I run into are friendly and really nice, sometimes they give free items or help fight arcs with you. Every now and then you get attacked out of nowhere and have to fight back, but that's just the nature of the game. I'm glad that most people are friendly though, I don't feel so paranoid trying to watch my back everywhere I go. I can ease up a bit and just enjoy looting and fighting arcs.

I'm usually a nice guy, though I am not nice to people trying to sneak up on me. Here you can see two rats, one dead from the other guy and one soon to be. He asks me not to shoot him, so I don't; I just punch him to death instead.

View: https://youtu.be/XertvEeIJBM

 

[dxchase]

Should a separate thread on Arc Raiders be started? haha, I love this game too. Arc was also nominated for best MP game of 2025 and it absolutely will be my pic, even over battlefield 6.

Im currently teaching a friend how to play the game so it was nice that Embark added a duos-only lobby last week.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/twdbHKhRF4Y

Bro, i know the feeling!

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7571248493231230222

View: https://www.tiktok.com/@0follows0followers0likes/video/7571248493231230222?lang=en





Other than spending most of my available game time in Arc Raiders. I have also been playing Sacred 2 Remaster. Im having fun with it even if some of the old systems in it are annoying to use (camera controls) but the team has been really good about updating it releasing around 3 patches so far, nothing too significant but it tackled the biggest issues like crashing. Idk if its 100% since i never had a problem with that, but its the fact they are releasing patches so im lookin forward to the state itll be in a couple months from now.

 

[BeardyHat]

I was surprised to hear Elden Ring is popular on the Steam Deck! Not only does it have anti-cheat software, which is liable to get all "kernally" and not translate, but the game isn't very pause-friendly. You CAN pause the game, but it's more of a side-effect and not widely known. I would think hand-helds would be better for the kind of game that's easy to pause anytime.

That is one that works well. I mostly meant stuff like Battlefield and I think Arc Raiders, etc.

Elden Ring is actually a pleasure to play on Deck. Locked 30FPS and yeah you can pause anytime; it will disconnect you from the servers, but you can still pick up where you left off when you turn it back on.

 

[neogunhero]

I'm usually a nice guy, though I am not nice to people trying to sneak up on me. Here you can see two rats, one dead from the other guy and one soon to be. He asks me not to shoot him, so I don't; I just punch him to death instead.

View: https://youtu.be/XertvEeIJBM

Video is privated for me!

Sometimes I get the urge to completely flip and turn against a friendly, but I know that's a pretty jerk move to pull. I actually gave into the urge once last night and I died miserably. I then managed to kill a raider who shot at me first though so I finally got some PVP action in. You've always gotta to watch your back, but generally compared to other PVP games this one is less tense. Even the dude that I start shooting at knew I was being a jerk and called me some not so pretty names for it lol.

Should a separate thread on Arc Raiders be started? haha, I love this game too. Arc was also nominated for best MP game of 2025 and it absolutely will be my pic, even over battlefield 6.

I think so, this is a game that creates stories as you play, so it would be best to separate our constant posting about it lol.

BTW I don't think your guy is going to recover from that rope burn on his hands.

That is one that works well. I mostly meant stuff like Battlefield and I think Arc Raiders, etc.

Elden Ring is actually a pleasure to play on Deck. Locked 30FPS and yeah you can pause anytime; it will disconnect you from the servers, but you can still pick up where you left off when you turn it back on.

Games like BF6 and the new COD are using techniques not normally used before for their anti-cheat. These AAA games are becoming increasingly complex with their anti-cheat tools, requiring deeper access to your system. PCG had a good article on it yesterday, and from what I gather the remote attestation is basically a verification system for your PC to the games servers. Games like this, I wonder if they will ever work on Linux. They almost seem like Windows-specific features in some cases.

 

[Frindis]

Should a separate thread on Arc Raiders be started?

Done: https://forums.pcgamer.com/threads/arc-raiders-discussion.149615/

Video is privated for me!

Should be fixed now, sry about that

 

[Frindis]

Need to remember this game, newly released gameplays:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaRWroSSoL4

 

[neogunhero]

Need to remember this game, newly released gameplays:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaRWroSSoL4

That looks awesome! Reminds me a lot of one of my favorite games, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. Those kicks don't seem as powerful but the ragdolls have a bit more realistic weight to them which looks cool, and I really liked the physics powers the player has, throwing goblins off cliffs and stuff. Will be keeping an eye out for this one.

 

[Pifanjr]

That looks awesome! Reminds me a lot of one of my favorite games, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. Those kicks don't seem as powerful but the ragdolls have a bit more realistic weight to them which looks cool, and I really liked the physics powers the player has, throwing goblins off cliffs and stuff. Will be keeping an eye out for this one.

I was sold as soon as I saw the player kicking an enemy and it ragdolling off of a platform. I love Dark Messiah of Might and Magic!

EDIT: Apparently it's already on my wishlist.

 

[BeardyHat]

Maybe I should play DMoMM again...

 

[BeardyHat]

I'm still at it with Darkest Dungeon 2. I do like the systems a bit more in this one, even though I played the first game for hundreds of hours. The nice thing about 2 is that I don't need the Darkest Companion app on my phone to constantly be double checking what I need to bring with me on any given expedition and what items interact correctly with what.

There's also a clearer focus on this one. It seems with the first game, many players treated it more like XCOM (I did too, initially) where they treated their Heroes as important characters to their progression, when they're really largely faceless and disposable, kind of going along with the theme of the game. Early on, if your hero gets stressed out? Kick them out on their butts, don't bother paying to rehabilitate them, just hire a new guy to take his place. What is really persistent is your village, that's what you need to keep upgrading and focus your attentions on.

Darkest Dungeon 2 takes that confusion and sorts it so your Heroes are the important parts of the game. No more village. The Stagecoach is there, but it's passive upgrades for a run and they're pretty rare to begin with; your focus is on getting your Heroes new skills through their stories and upgrading them with trinkets you unlock as you progress. They are the game in Darkest Dungeon 2.

Anyway, I've fully completed one run of the first area and started on the second, but realized it's probably too difficult for where I'm at at the moment, so I've gone back into the first area of the game with different party comps to try and continue to unlock stuff for my Heroes (as well as new characters), as well as making attempts at mini-bosses to see if I can figure them out and actually beat them. So far, no luck there.

I've also been playing a bit of Advance Wars: Days of Ruin on the side via emulation. A very solid turn based tactical game, if a bit ugly and boring looking.

 

[Frindis]

Been playing some Where Winds Meet. It's an MMO in the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period of China. I went with a male double swordslinging guy who looks like a samurai John Wick. It's MMMO, but you can play solo if you want, which I am doing right now. World looks beautiful and so far I have been mainly fishing. It's a pretty chill game so far. Combat is also good, very movie-like if you have watched any of the Chinese fighting movies.

Where Winds Meet on Steam

Where Winds Meet is an epic Wuxia open-world action-adventure RPG set in ancient China at the tenth century. Players will assume the role of a young sword master as they embark on a journey to uncover the mysteries of their own identity. Let the wind carry your legend on an epic journey to the East!

store.steampowered.com

 

[Pifanjr]

I played a bit more of Cyberpunk 2077. This game can get pretty dark, I wasn't expecting to have to look through the eyes of a kid being traumatised.

 

[Zloth]

I'm hitting a wall right at the end of Elden Ring.

Godfrey wasn't bad. Honestly, I would have handed him the Elden Throne if he had just asked, but he went and attacked me. At one point he calmed down a bit, and I thought perhaps I could reason with him - but then he ate his own pet cat! OMG!! He's gotta pay for that. He didn't, of course - he killed me about 15 seconds later - but a few more tries (and a few more eaten cats) later he went down.

The final boss pair, though... ugh. Boss #1 hits me hard, but it's susceptible to fire, so my blasphemous blade's attack takes big hunks of his health away. Maybe he kills me, maybe I kill him, but either way it's over in a minute or two. Then there's boss #2. That's not working out well at all. It doesn't seem to have a huge number of HP, but I can barely take one hit of any kind, and it swings often. My spells require locking on but, if I do, its wild movements leave me disoriented unless I'm at fairly long range. If I'm at range, though, the spells that hit it the hardest can't get to it!

I'm sure I can beat it eventually, but it's going to take a lot of practice and luck. The whole battle is in water, which hurts fire spells, giving that thing 50% off on all fire damage, but I am buffed for it, and the Elden Ring's buffs are "compound interest" types...

I just wish I had more like 30 seconds between each fight.

 

[BeardyHat]

I'm hitting a wall right at the end of Elden Ring.

Godfrey wasn't bad. Honestly, I would have handed him the Elden Throne if he had just asked, but he went and attacked me. At one point he calmed down a bit, and I thought perhaps I could reason with him - but then he ate his own pet cat! OMG!! He's gotta pay for that. He didn't, of course - he killed me about 15 seconds later - but a few more tries (and a few more eaten cats) later he went down.

The final boss pair, though... ugh. Boss #1 hits me hard, but it's susceptible to fire, so my blasphemous blade's attack takes big hunks of his health away. Maybe he kills me, maybe I kill him, but either way it's over in a minute or two. Then there's boss #2. That's not working out well at all. It doesn't seem to have a huge number of HP, but I can barely take one hit of any kind, and it swings often. My spells require locking on but, if I do, its wild movements leave me disoriented unless I'm at fairly long range. If I'm at range, though, the spells that hit it the hardest can't get to it!

I'm sure I can beat it eventually, but it's going to take a lot of practice and luck. The whole battle is in water, which hurts fire spells, giving that thing 50% off on all fire damage, but I am buffed for it, and the Elden Ring's buffs are "compound interest" types...

I just wish I had more like 30 seconds between each fight.

Unfortunately, you're going to need to keep playing and talking about Elden Ring so that I remember I need to continue my playthrough with it when I'm ready. So...get to it.

But speaking of the final fight and knowing you can beat it, that's kind of how I felt about Lies of P and why I abandoned it. I knew I just needed to keep at it and I could beat it, but I just felt like...why? It's a lovely game, but I just had no motivation to smash my head against the wall to beat the final boss.

Speaking of bashing my head against the wall, I went back to Cultic just to see if I could tackle the big fight I got stuck on. I only tried a couple of times with no luck, but my hands were hurting (think I've got some mild carpal tunnel and I haven't worn my wrist braces to bed recently...) and I didn't feel like continuing. That said, I think I'm over my frustration with the game and I'll try again soon. I could knock the difficulty down to Normal, but Hard just seems appropriate for Boom Shoots.

Also in between my various projects I've continued playing Darkest Dungeon 2. I attempted to kill the Librarian boss the other day, because I felt like I've made good progress between understanding the game and unlocking skills, trinkets and other items. He did manage to wipe out my party, but I had him literally down to 1HP (from 140. My characters have between 35-45 each) when my last character died. Felt like I had some bad misses in there with critical skills, which didn't help, but I think the idea is that I need to come into those fights with more mitigation; ability to remove tokens from the enemy, such as dodge and more crit chance for my characters. I think I need to continue to unlock as much as I can for my primary party right now, which means seeing if I can make it to the end of the first chapter again to collect a lot of currency for unlocks.

 

[dxchase]

Ive just been stuck in Arc Raiders. I havent dabbled in much else over the past week or so between going to Detroit, working and playing Arc while im streaming.

Good news on that front, i have roughly 4 subs! Haha i was able to convince some people with Amazon Prime free subs to use them on my channel since they werent using them or even knew they had existed lol.

So, my recent arc playing has me doing a lot of pvp-focus matches on its map Stella Montis which is Call of Duty practically. It also reminds me of The Last of Us's MP they had in the first game. I loved that stuff so this feels like an updated version of that. Not sure if anyone here actually dabbled in that.


But, for those playing Arc Raiders, does this clip of TLoU's MP remind you of Arc Raiders in any way?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ley1fcyCs6I

Speaking of bashing my head against the wall, I went back to Cultic just to see if I could tackle the big fight I got stuck on. I only tried a couple of times with no luck, but my hands were hurting (think I've got some mild carpal tunnel and I haven't worn my wrist braces to bed recently...) and I didn't feel like continuing. That said, I think I'm over my frustration with the game and I'll try again soon. I could knock the difficulty down to Normal, but Hard just seems appropriate for Boom Shoots.

Is it the Chapter 2 final boss? I was close to buying it since i beat the first chapter, but i heard the second one was a huge departure from the first so i havent yet.

 

[BeardyHat]

Ive just been stuck in Arc Raiders. I havent dabbled in much else over the past week or so between going to Detroit, working and playing Arc while im streaming.

Good news on that front, i have roughly 4 subs! Haha i was able to convince some people with Amazon Prime free subs to use them on my channel since they werent using them or even knew they had existed lol.

So, my recent arc playing has me doing a lot of pvp-focus matches on its map Stella Montis which is Call of Duty practically. It also reminds me of The Last of Us's MP they had in the first game. I loved that stuff so this feels like an updated version of that. Not sure if anyone here actually dabbled in that.


But, for those playing Arc Raiders, does this clip of TLoU's MP remind you of Arc Raiders in any way?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ley1fcyCs6I

I've been thinking about Arc Raiders, but I don't think I'd actually end-up playing it much. I just don't have much time for multiplayer games anymore, but it seems interesting. I heard it compared to The Division PvP mode, which I very much enjoyed. Plus I've heard that it really doesn't have much toxicity (yet).

Is it the Chapter 2 final boss? I was close to buying it since i beat the first chapter, but i heard the second one was a huge departure from the first so i havent yet.

It isn't, it's about half or 60% of the way through Chapter 2.

Honestly, I think Chapter 2 is lovely. It leans much more into a Survival Horror style than the original, which was pretty straight forwardly a Boom Shoot; ammo is always a struggle, health is always low and in general, it's much harder and much more exploratory. I've read many people really dislike it for those reasons and honestly, those are all pretty fun aspects that I very much enjoy.

My primary complaint is actually the fact that arenas and waves of enemies are overused. It seems that almost in every map there's a skillcheck at the end with multiple waves of enemies and an inability to save part of the way through; I've often ended-up banging my head on the wall for awhile in these parts. But I've made it past them up until Old Town (I think it's called) where there's one that just feels excessive; it thankfully has a checkpoint most of the way through, which I hit after some consternation, but I find the design pretty boring overall.

Again, it feels like these are designed as skill checks, but it just feels largely not fun to me.

 

[Pifanjr]

I finished Cyberpunk 2077, so now I can finally return to Baldur's Gate 3. Or maybe Disco Elysium. Or maybe I'll start on The Witcher 3 or pick up the Mount & Blade 2: Bannerlords DLC and play that some more...

I haven't had time to start up anything new on our good PC though, so I've just played a bit of Morphblade, a simple turn-based strategy game that was bundled with Heat Signature. It's pretty good for something that cost me 50 cents.

 

[Pifanjr]

My wife just tried to play Elden Ring for the first time, but for some reason the game kept freezing for several seconds every once in a while. It seemed like it was loading something as the fans would suddenly spin up too, but task manager indicated that CPU and GPU stayed below 100%.

I tried looking for a solution but apparently there are a whole bunch of different freezing/stuttering problems people have encountered in Elden Ring and most of them didn't sound like what my wife was experiencing.

My wife has no patience for trouble shooting though, so I'll have to see if I can find a fix sometime later.

 

[Johnway]

not much to report on my end. Still playing yakuza 5 and we're more or less nearing the end of saejima's chapter. Tbh i was expecting more action in the city but until i finish it i will reserve judgement. The good news is that there are wide variety of activites, although the snowball fight is a bit cack. Concept is simple, but execution leaves a lot to be desired. Its clunky and not much fun. Especially when your opponents gang up on you. For the final map i swear the 3 opponents are ganging up on you when they're supposed to be competiting.


Path of exile, not much to say there. Still mapping and slowly getting things done. its a bit disappointing as i had hoped to get more done by this point, but its only been a month, but i need to pick up the pace and get more done.


Doom wad wise i've finished the halloween wad and the other one i was playing. Discussed in the usual completion thread.


I was also window shopping and i have a list in pcpartpicker.com and i saw the jaw dropping price of ram now. £734.48 for 64gb. That price just shot up in the last week but its been steadyly climbing. For instance, back in september you could get the sticks for 245-250 price range. its just ridcious and makes me wonder whether i should start buying random parts in preparation or whether to wait a bit longer. i would love to see more affordable PC parts, but you know, the part makers are raking in the cash and sqeezing the market hard.

 

[dxchase]

I've been thinking about Arc Raiders, but I don't think I'd actually end-up playing it much. I just don't have much time for multiplayer games anymore, but it seems interesting. I heard it compared to The Division PvP mode, which I very much enjoyed. Plus I've heard that it really doesn't have much toxicity (yet).



It isn't, it's about half or 60% of the way through Chapter 2.

Honestly, I think Chapter 2 is lovely. It leans much more into a Survival Horror style than the original, which was pretty straight forwardly a Boom Shoot; ammo is always a struggle, health is always low and in general, it's much harder and much more exploratory. I've read many people really dislike it for those reasons and honestly, those are all pretty fun aspects that I very much enjoy.

My primary complaint is actually the fact that arenas and waves of enemies are overused. It seems that almost in every map there's a skillcheck at the end with multiple waves of enemies and an inability to save part of the way through; I've often ended-up banging my head on the wall for awhile in these parts. But I've made it past them up until Old Town (I think it's called) where there's one that just feels excessive; it thankfully has a checkpoint most of the way through, which I hit after some consternation, but I find the design pretty boring overall.

Again, it feels like these are designed as skill checks, but it just feels largely not fun to me.

Arc Raiders-- Honestly, if you were to play solo on the first couple of maps doing the quests the game gives you, youd be hard up to find someone that would kill you, especially if you use the emote wheel to say "dont shoot" or "wanna team up?", also a little voice comms doesnt hurt.

Now, yes thats not a 100% guarantee, but neither was The Division's pvp. I also dont think its that relatable to its pvp, definitely its survival mode from the first Division, but thats it. Dark Zones felt more like just trying to kill people rather than killing and looting personally.

In my experience, the only time i really fight pvp is in trios. Its hard to find other trios that dont want to fight. If you want to avoid pvp, id avoid doing trios, especially on the one map i mentioned in the Arc Raiders thread, its simply just pvp with the ability to extract, the others its you can get stuff done and collect loot, with the ability to get killed lol.

Cultic- Yes, thats what i was reading and i am more into that straight-forward boomer shooter style also and thats why i was holding off but i still might pick it up. I saw it mentioned in a new PCG article today and i had forgotten about it.

My wife has no patience for trouble shooting though, so I'll have to see if I can find a fix sometime later.

Same, i am the troubleshooter in the house lol. Let us know what you did to fix it when you do!

I was also window shopping and i have a list in pcpartpicker.com and i saw the jaw dropping price of ram now. £734.48 for 64gb. That price just shot up in the last week but its been steadyly climbing. For instance, back in september you could get the sticks for 245-250 price range. its just ridcious and makes me wonder whether i should start buying random parts in preparation or whether to wait a bit longer. i would love to see more affordable PC parts, but you know, the part makers are raking in the cash and sqeezing the market hard.

Its sad, ive been reading articles over the last couple months talking about how PC gaming might become this insanely-priced level of gaming that will keep being pushed out of the reach of the general population due to the demand of AI and as much sense as it makes from a raw-material perspective, its sad that these companies cant sacrifice some revenue to keep electronic parts (especially PC) in a competitive price range because those ram prices are certainly anything but. I honestly dont know if even reversing tariffs on goods would help all that much at this point