Muse Score :(

[Charagma]

Not even sure if this was the Forum part I got invited to so apologies if it is in the wrong place (In advance, thank you admin for moving it to the right place ......LMAO)

Musescore is famous for replies like "Have you read the manual?", it is in the manual" and it is not available on this version". These are the general responses you get from most things you ask on Musescore forum. That or you do not get a reply...period.

So, I posted the following in musescore forums today because it is an issue I do not understand. Obviously, I am doing something wrong, but I need to fix it......somehow.

Spoiler: Copy of other Forum

I have seen it happen two different ways so will explain both. Please immolate and advise.

Opening a Saved Score
Imagine the following. Ending on a half note bassline say C in a measure and then an octave change to C again with a half note as start of the next measure. To smooth the transition, I Glissando the two notes. Some of the notes are audible but most are not. You hear the smooth transition with other instruments added. Now save the file and reopen it. Musescore takes your Glissando and shows them as notes now and not as a Glissando/slide anymore. Imagine what it is doing to your score layout of you do an octave change.

Adding an Instrument
Again, imagine the following. I create a Violin Instrument and decide to lean more towards fiddle (triads). I now create the part I feel is right but use several Flats and Sharps to get what I want. To give immersion and lift the audio, I create another Violin, use a right hand 8 (or 15 or just same) Clef and copy and paste my violin over to there. Before even considering raising the notes to where I want them to play 8 Octaves higher, musescore change my input notes. I have a C with a # and musescore would change that to a c #. It moves from my C line to the C# line resulting in terrible sounds especially when using traid's and chords when combined with other instruments. By itself it sounds ok......ish

I read everything I could about this but cannot find a reference to it anywhere. If anyone can tell me how I can fix this, please. It is driving me up the walls. I am at a point when I (A) do not want to save my scores since the glissandos and slides become a mess and (B) recreating each instrument just seem easier than to sit and figure out what notes got changed during the copy process.

Since There is no space for media on Music score (Only Notation forum I have seen that do not have their own media section), or it is very well hidden, I added images of the problem I am having here in PCGamer. I know it is "gamer" but there are hidden composers and artists amongst us.



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The little boxes are link activated. Cannot get it to display straight into the thread. If anyone can explain to me where I am doing what wrong and how to rectify this.

 

[Colif]

weird, i can't click 2nd image in post now.
i can see the 2nd one...

to avoid the x mark, use the link under to Copy image BB code on the page that link 1 takes you to

https://forums.pcgamer.com/media/musescore-problem-1-jpg.3133/

 

[Colif]

I don't know what you were trying to achieve

Not sure if this will help you

Info - How to upload images to Media section

Putting Images Into the Media Section On the left side of this page, you'll see a long list of options. If you click Media, you'll be taken to a page full of images. If you want to add an image of your own (conforming to the guidelines, naturally), you can do so by clicking the Add Media...

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i am not a hidden composer, but I do understand forum software a little bit.

 

[Charagma]

I don't know what you were trying to achieve

Not sure if this will help you

Info - How to upload images to Media section

Putting Images Into the Media Section On the left side of this page, you'll see a long list of options. If you click Media, you'll be taken to a page full of images. If you want to add an image of your own (conforming to the guidelines, naturally), you can do so by clicking the Add Media...

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i am not a hidden composer, but I do understand forum software a little bit.

We are in two different worlds here. I can struggle with Composing day in and day out but 15 minutes struggling to get something on a forum is pretty much where I end things. Forums just have this way to confuse the living @$#%$#%$# out of me. Will try the image thing but have not found the BB thingy yet. Once I get to that part, I will try the next step. LMAO

Edit: Make you a deal. I will teach you Composing then you teach me how to work all the different types of the forums ........ LMAO, I have come a long way at least (Given the few weeks I have been here). Learned more about forums here than any other forum

 

[Colif]

I used to have to know these things, now I am just a user like yourself

I know this forum software only as the 3 forums I used the most in the last 6 years use it.

 

[Charagma]

Sa

I used to have to know these things, now I am just a user like yourself

I know this forum software only as the 3 forums I used the most in the last 6 years use it.

Saw your name on other forums yes (Take it I may not name them). To me a forum is where you ask help or talk about things. I am used to Dropbox if I want to share anything. Anything outside typing and sharing a Dropbox link I am still learning. Trust me many have tried to help, think my brain is just not wired for it....... but getting there slowly but surely.

 

[Colif]

Saw your name on other forums yes (Take it I may not name them)

I mainly use forums to ask questions as well. Some I get stuck on helping as well. If the people are nice and I think I can help, I will. Answering other peoples questions is a painless way to learn what not to do... and sometimes what you should do.
It is a nice distraction from things I should be doing... like homework..

I been writing instructions for other people for years. Long before I came here.

 

[Charagma]

I mainly use forums to ask questions as well. Some I get stuck on helping as well. If the people are nice and I think I can help, I will. Answering other peoples questions is a painless way to learn what not to do... and sometimes what you should do.
It is a nice distraction from things I should be doing... like homework..

I been writing instructions for other people for years. Long before I came here.

Can relate to that. Some forums are very toxic. I been on a few of them and my "do not understand forums" situation usually do not go down well.

BUT

Let's not give up on me yet. Maybe before I hit 60, I will understand forums. LMAO

 

[Colif]

Not knowing your age, I have to assume you have a better chance than I do of learning that music stuff before I turn 60, since that is just over 2 months away. Oh crap, its sneaking up on me...

 

[Charagma]

Not knowing your age, I have to assume you have a better chance than I do of learning that music stuff before I turn 60, since that is just over 2 months away. Oh crap, its sneaking up on me...

LMAO, I turned the big 50 in January. So, taking my youngness into consideration, as well as I have a brain already full of odds and ends, I might not get to know it before I hit the 60.

My dad used to tell me this joke about the age thing. Two elderly sitting on a park bench and the one asks "so how are you doing now that you turned 60". Other replies "Very well thank you and yourself?". First one says "I feel as young as a baby now a days. No teeth, No hair and think I just #$% myself"

 

[Zed Clampet]

I don't know what is going on here, but I don't hear any music.

Colif is a great guy. Used to run this place until he had a Zed moment. I'd give you my opinion on that in a PM except that we can't do that anymore thanks to some island tribe somewhere that's similar to Jamaica, only twice as miserable. (not Japan. I'[l probably get reported again for being mean to Japan by saying that FromSoft and some others don't do proper mouse/keyboard support)

 

[Charagma]

I don't know what is going on here, but I don't hear any music.

Colif is a great guy. Used to run this place until he had a Zed moment. I'd give you my opinion on that in a PM except that we can't do that anymore thanks to some island tribe somewhere that's similar to Jamaica, only twice as miserable.

Take it I hit the wrong Thread then. LMAO. Kinda figured things do not look the way I thought it would. GUI Error. LMAO

 

[Zed Clampet]

Take it I hit the wrong Thread then. LMAO. Kinda figured things do not look the way I thought it would. GUI Error. LMAO

Is it an actual sound file or is it being hosted somewhere? Or neither?

 

[Charagma]

Is it an actual sound file or is it being hosted somewhere? Or neither?

Nah, this one was merely me cursing Muse Score. I have one in progress (The one from the piece of paper and usb stick) Once I have a working Notation program that does what I tell it to do then I will be back on track. Dorico is installing. Getting an older version since my PC is a bit on the low spec side for the newer versions

Edit: Maybe I should stop spending money on software and start investing in hardware. Could have bought 3 gaming computers with the money on my last spending spree and now on the new notation software.......... But the wife will catch on. She will know it is just an excuse to play new games. LMAO

 

[Zed Clampet]

Nah, this one was merely me cursing Muse Score. I have one in progress (The one from the piece of paper and usb stick) Once I have a working Notation program that does what I tell it to do then I will be back on track. Dorico is installing. Getting an older version since my PC is a bit on the low spec side for the newer versions

Edit: Maybe I should stop spending money on software and start investing in hardware. Could have bought 3 gaming computers with the money on my last spending spree and now on the new notation software.......... But the wife will catch on. She will know it is just an excuse to play new games. LMAO

Oh, all I see on my end are icons that mean something failed to load.

 

[Charagma]

Oh, all I see on my end are icons that mean something failed to load.

Colif tried to help. He made a very good attempt at it. Me on the other hand failed miserably. Just like I am now busy failing with the Dorico installation. If I ever return in human form again hopefully, I will know more about forums, computers and software. To me they are mostly black magic. Most things in my life is actually black magic. All of it works on smoke and when the smoke comes out, it stops working. You can test it, see if you computer is still working after the smoke comes out..........But now it seems like I will only be testing Sibelius. Just because my brain capacity do not understand all the things they are asking me to do. Can they just not make it like a game? hit setup, go have a coffee, come back and play? Why so complicated.......

 

[Zloth]

Yeah, I don't think there's any way to post musical scores here. That would take some specialized software.

Errrrr, but.... started with a violin and raised EIGHT octaves!?

If the Muses are getting annoying, you can always go listen to some Throwing Muses to get some revenge.

View: https://youtu.be/BFzCtKZo24M?si=Tcea3-QCWJbikxBV

 

[Charagma]

Yeah, I don't think there's any way to post musical scores here. That would take some specialized software.

Errrrr, but.... started with a violin and raised EIGHT octaves!?

If the Muses are getting annoying, you can always go listen to some Throwing Muses to get some revenge.

View: https://youtu.be/BFzCtKZo24M?si=Tcea3-QCWJbikxBV

Nope not raise 8 octaves. 1 octave 8 notes. A-A (8). Image makes more sense, but that is still a mystery to me on how to get it on here. It's under my media here. LMAO maybe some good Samaritan can help me out. LMAO

 

[Charagma]

Good news though, after reinstalling Dorico about 6/7 times trying to figure out why I have no sound, and following their instructions to the tee, I got it working. Fault was not on my side; problem was an outdate VST that did not work with the version I got. Must add......it was the one they supplied with the software, so it got sorted after I figured out it needs to be updated. Did a library update and a VST upgrade and it started playing music to me. That means I can run all three programs together tomorrow and test them. Maybe I will have something on SoundCloud by tomorrow night just to make Zed's day. LMAO It is now almost 4am so I think I am going to get a bit of sleep. Will fight the good battle with music again tomorrow.

New day different ^%#$% and giggles............ is the moto......I think (Should maybe make that my signature.)

They asked me to put an "avatar" in my profile when I came here and so I did.....AVATAR!!!!! , everyone else did pictures (Weird?). Doubt the signature would even be read since they cannot even follow instructions on AVATAR........LMAO

 

[Colif]

Colif is a great guy. Used to run this place

just as well I don't believe either of those. Although if you look at all the stickies you could be mistaken to believe otherwise.
lucky my Zed moment wasn't here...

 

[Charagma]

just as well I don't believe either of those. Although if you look at all the stickies you could be mistaken to believe otherwise.
lucky my Zed moment wasn't here...

Almost too scared to ask about the Zed Moment. Pretty much boils down to if there is any bad blood afterwards. I am sure I have ruffled many feathers on various forums but in the end, it was merely a difference of opinion.

Thank goodness we are not all the same. Imagine how boring the world would be. No will be able to say anything since the other has already done it or busy doing it or going to do it ..........

Here, I know I have stepped on some toes a few places here, but the "vibe" of the forum is just much more relaxed and most happened out of ignorance. (Ignorance is bliss kind of thing). It is also one of the few forums I have found that even though it is designed for a specific topic, we are able to broaden it and learn from different viewpoints on various topics with it usually ending up in some form of chit-chat deviating from the original post. That is what makes it a great platform and the reason why I am still boring you guys with all my things.

With all that said, to have a good foundation on something like this (forum) takes a lot of work and input. So, from my side, Colif, you laid down a good foundation for others to build on. Well done.

Anyway, I overslept, so need to catch up on some work, have a class this afternoon, and have 2 notation programs to test. My opinion might be biased but think (deep down) I have already decided which one.

 

[Colif]

Almost too scared to ask about the Zed Moment.

That is probably for the best. I don't want any attention

Thank goodness we are not all the same. Imagine how boring the world would be.

It would be very corporate.

Too much choice isn't that great either

It is also one of the few forums I have found that even though it is designed for a specific topic, we are able to broaden it and learn from different viewpoints on various topics with it usually ending up in some form of chit-chat deviating from the original post.

That is probably due to so few users here. Forums with lots of users tend to try to keep threads on topic as it makes it easier for others to track the progress, if they aren't here everyday. With less users here, they only really need a few moderators, and the less you have of them, the less they want to control what people think... that and they mostly good people here.

Admin threads tend to stay on topic.

 

[Charagma]

That is probably due to so few users here.

Would say few talking users. It is pretty much based on the "What do I get in return" mentality. If you do not say anything (or much) then no one will ask for your help, opinion or assistance on things I know about. Unfortunately, the biggest problem with humanity. What they do not realise is assistance is a two-way street and most of them wonder why they still go read the forum since it is now just a "pass the time" thing for them. 5 Minutes reading vs, days of talking, you can give me the days part anytime. I see my students, clients and wife pretty much everyday. Different mindsets and opinions interest me.

Admin threads tend to stay on topic.

I usually do not reply to those since I have the "knack" to turn a conversation into anything......"roughing the feathers" might make sense now. LMAO

 

[Charagma]

Not going to make a new topic about it since it is all related any.

Muse Score vs. Sibelius vs. Dorico

Never thought deciding to keep or replace with one or another would be this hard. I ran all 3 programs today. Muse Score, Dorico and Sibelius. Poor PC was running hot all day while I was working the same project in all three.

Muse Score is great. Been using it for a very long time and apart from original development problems (Which got sorted promptly with every new update.......back then), I never had any problems with it until a few days ago. I know pretty much everything there is to know about Muse Score, thus creating "something" from "nothing" is as easy as 1,2,3. Simply because I know the program. Price, Free but if you want add-ons then you need to buy it. They have to make money somewhere and I agree with them on that. So, for free you get a nice, very user-friendly notation program. Anything above that you pay for, and the prices are reasonable.

Sibelius. Umm, yeah. I think because I struggle to find the things I am looking for is the reason I would not decide to take it. E.g. On most tabs on the right, you have a "plug-in" drop down. Each tab has it's own plug-ins. Which if you think about it logically it would make sense. So, If you are working with Chords, then all the fancy chord related things would be under the plug-in's menu. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Some you can only access with right click, some is in plug-in menu and some I still have not found but it is elementary things so know it must be there. If I originally started with Sibelius way back, then I possibly would have picked it. It is a paid program (No it is not cheap in my country), but if you are new and have time to learn the program then I would give it a thumbs up. Playback quality lacked a bit but that can always be fixed with additional sound banks for a price.

Dorico. Very interesting. I have been using Cubase for a long time (No I am no expert in it or any DAW for that matter. Usually when I refer to my DAW I talk about all the hardware compressors and filters I have) but never knew about Dorico till I started my search. Installation is a pain. Because I am still in my deciding phase I am working with their free versions. I have an old-ish pc so need to work within my specs and according to their version numbers. That was the easy part. Installation pretty much goes.......install A, install B, Install C, Download and install E, Install F. Now download update manager and update everything. This was with both Dorico 4 and 5. 4 Did not have all the functions I needed so went up to version 5. If you do not download the updates, Dorico does not work! Try as you want, what you already have does not work.....period. After the updates it will work without audio and then you start fidgeting with ASIO files and folders etc until you get your first PEEP out of a score. Personal recommendation, if you are not an expert computer user, take it to someone to install it for you. Dorico 5 finally opened for the first time after my 7th attempt installing and re-installing (rinse and repeat) using the files they gave me in the first place (Dorico 4 installation was pretty much the same). Dorico 4 testing was great. Clean workspace, good functions and then I mistakenly saw a Chord video on YT about chord input that was something I simply just had to have hence the upgrade to version 5. In my country this is a VERY expensive piece of software. Unfortunately, due to what I will be needing it for I would need the PRO version and that is why it is so expensive.

Did a cost analysis on all three. I took the functions you get with Dorico (Since it has pretty much everything in it) searched what would need to be added to either muse score or Sibelius to match the functionality of Dorica and came to the following results.

1. Muse Score (with everything to match Dorico in functionality) Would be the cheapest. But some functions are not available in muse score. But for a "close to" program with similar features and functions you end up paying as much as you would for Dorico
2. Dorico. Since I used it as the baseline there is nothing to be added to it but came in second place.
3. Sibelius unfortunately worked out the most expensive. Originally the program is slightly cheaper than Dorico, but when you start adding instruments, sound banks etc it becomes very expensive.

Sibelius will be deleted off my system tomorrow. I need the space and it is year end so every bit of space for the year end rush is needed. I will not say I expected more (Since I have not worked with it ever) so took it as it came but compared to what I am used to. Difficulty to find things, Mouse vs. Keyboard operations, etc is not easy to grasp or to change to once you are used to another program. It would require in depth working on it on several projects to really see if that extra costs are worth it. The total cost (if I want to get close to Dorico) plus the non-friendly UI lost it for me. Would have loved to spend more time with it because I am certain I have not seen even a drop of what it is capable of. Might be a project for next year, see if I can get Sibelius again and learn how to use it.

 

[Frindis]

I have been using Cubase for a long time (No I am no expert in it or any DAW for that matte

Is Cubase a modernized version of the old DOS QBasic or just something completely different?