Cooling Performance vs Acoustics: What's More Important?

[Kaamos_Llama]

Sure you don't mean Speedfan? I used to use it on Intel 10 years ago but it hasn't been updated in years and has no idea what Ryzen was

SpeedFan - Access temperature sensor in your computer

Jay when he was younger

I stopped using Fan Control last year as one of its drivers has ring0 access and it also conflicts with HWINFO with regard to sensor temps. It kept reading my CPU as cooler than it really was.

No it was definitely Fan Control I was using, I hated Speed Fan when I tried it and never went back to it, it was awful 10 years ago, but probably improved since then.

 

[Colif]

Fan Control only came out in Sept 2020 so it might have been early on and its way better now.
Speedfan hasn't changed since 2016 so no, it hasn't got any better.

 

[Charagma]

Thank you for all the explanations. Personally, I only have 1 fan in my whole system so would not use it on this one, but good to know that there are different controlling software's out there that can pretty much give you the best of both worlds.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

Fan Control only came out in Sept 2020 so it might have been early on and its way better now.
Speedfan hasn't changed since 2016 so no, it hasn't got any better.

I started using Fan Control on my I7 7700K system and it worked perfectly, then when I got a Ryzen system it didnt work at all. Checking my purchase history I picked up the current motherboard in February 2021 so there it is

 

[Colif]

I didn't need it when I put the last PC together in 2020, as I was using a Corsair AIO as intake which had its own software, and the two chassis fans were DC
It was only after I replaced the chassis fans with Noctua ones that I had any need for fan controlling software. That was around end of 2021. So it adds up.

 

[Johnway]

in the grand scheme of things, performance is more important. if your fans can't cool but are quiet, they're not worth the job. but on the flip side, i always buy bequiet bespoke stuff to reduce the sound and stop my machine sounding like a jet engine and annoying everyone in the house.

in an ideal world, i want both and i'm always going to spend that bit more to keep things cool but also sounding quiet. My next worry of course is where the heat is going to go. As the parts get more powerful they run hotter and require more fans and the heat goes into my room. My room is already one of the warmest during the summer and will likely feel like a sweat box as my PC acts like a damn heater.

 

[Colif]

My room is the same in summer, house is set up so I freeze in winter and get the summer heat in summer, so I know how it feels to play games all summer in a heat box - its one reason I covered my windows up, keeps room cooler.

2019/20 was a really hot summer - when its over 40c outside I didn't even bother turning PC on - so when it came to making last PC I went water cooling to keep temps lower. We haven't had a hot summer since that year, or at least, not as hot. So it was kind of pointless to have an AIO for that purpose.
I am back on air again, I see what summer brings in a 4 months time.

I want cool and quiet, so having fans that can achieve that is the aim. I think I am there now, even have these waiting to be put in

they replace my bottom fans once it gets a little warmer and I need them.

water doesn't really help, while it reduces heat spikes, if you play all day it soaks up the heat and for next few hours after PC is off it stays warm, so if you sleep in same room as PC, its a question... do you want your heat now or later.

 

[Zuruchon]

Its just a software fan curve, so the fans are running for example at 50% at 50 degrees C CPU temperature and 100% at 90 C steadily ramping up as temps increase.

https://imgur.com/a/XTHWqPh

View: https://imgur.com/a/XTHWqPh


There are different softwares that do it for CPU and GPU. I think all the motherboard manufacturers have their own versions and there are others, not sure what is good at the moment I'm just using the Gigabyte version which is fine for me.

Learned a new thing today. I just had to read more about these software. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Charagma]

I could write a little program that plays a Milli Vanilli song every time your CPU hits 30 percent usage!

Do you still write programs? Looking for someone that is willing to take on a non-profit project by re-inventing a piece of software from the 70's.

 

[Zed Clampet]

Do you still write programs? Looking for someone that is willing to take on a non-profit project by re-inventing a piece of software from the 70's.

I do, but I'm going through some health things at the moment that would probably make it a bad idea. When I get to the other side and finish my other commitment, I'll check to see if you are still in need.

 

[Charagma]

Thank you. Very small project that was originally written for and by David Bowie. When you are ready let me know. It is hidden on a website (and really mean hidden and only a few are aware of it. AI without copyright protection (Yes if you thought using an AI melody or lyrics is copyright free, think again) .... kind of thing and dates back to the 70's) but think if revived you will have many lyricists loving you.

 

[neogunhero]

I've always used BIOS and Afterburner to set fan curves, but decided to check out Fan Control last night. It only detected one fan out of 6 I have installed in the case, and my GPU fans. It names all the mobo connectors, and they were all blank/no sensor. Very strange because I know all the fans are working, so I had to deduce what was causing the issue.

My three Noctua fan splitters are causing the issue it appears. It's useful because I can connect two fans to a single header, and the way my case is set up it made it a lot easier to get everything connected. I looked at it a bit last night but was too tired to fiddle with all the cables, however after taking a long look at my PC, I think I can rewire some things around to have at least four of the six fan cased connected direct to the mobo so that Fan Control can read them.

Unfortunately I think my two CPU fans are going to have to stay on the splitter. There is barely any clearance from the top of my massive air cooler to the top of the case, and it seems too difficult to try to get it connected to the mobo connectors. At least the CPU stays cool always, so I'm not too worried about that.

 

[Colif]

My three Noctua fan splitters are causing the issue it appears.

if you have multiple fans all running off one header, the BIOS sees them all as one fan.

The headers are not smart, it can't tell what its attached to besides how many pins the fan has. It just sees one cable, so its one fan. I may be wrong but I think some headers have limits as to how many fans will run off it.

It means any speed change applies to all fans connected to it.

My front 3 chassis fans all show as 1 fan, since they all running off a fan hub and it runs off one motherboard header - it was intentional as then I can control them all as one group.

My 2 bottom fans have their own headers and resist my efforts to have them fun at same speeds. I didn't want to run them off same hub as they different sized fans.

I could in theory run all my fans from their own headers but that makes them hard to match.

I over corrected when creating this PC, as my last motherboard only had 2 fan headers besides CPU & CPU_OPT. I didn't want to repeat it so now I have more than I need. I wonder why System 4 header is right down there. Everything below System 3 is empty.

Unfortunately I think my two CPU fans are going to have to stay on the splitter. There is barely any clearance from the top of my massive air cooler to the top of the case, and it seems too difficult to try to get it connected to the mobo connectors. At least the CPU stays cool always, so I'm not too worried about that.

It sounds like you would need to remove motherboard from the case to properly mount it. That is the sort of thing best done outside the case.

 

[mjs warlord]

Ok so heres my contribution to this thread .... my coolermaster case has intake fan on front and a big intake fan on the side , a fan on the top and rear to get rid of warm air , the cpu has a huge noctua twin bladed fan and my gtx 1080 has 2 fans. The only time my fans go faster is when something like Horizon Zero Dawn is doing the shader optimizer. If my rig did not have a few strip lights on the front i would not even know it was turned on as i honestly cant hear anything. I know when they go faster because i can feel the warn air under coming out of the top of the case.

 

[Zed Clampet]

Thank you. Very small project that was originally written for and by David Bowie. When you are ready let me know. It is hidden on a website (and really mean hidden and only a few are aware of it. AI without copyright protection (Yes if you thought using an AI melody or lyrics is copyright free, think again) .... kind of thing and dates back to the 70's) but think if revived you will have many lyricists loving you.

Just to be clear, you have the source code? Or do you just have a copy of the program? If you just have a copy of the program, it could be a problem. I'd have to create an environment it could run in, but without knowing what environment it ran in originally. PCs were very decentralized until Windows took over. This may be outside my hobbyist capabilities, although I could probably get my son to help me with it.

 

[neogunhero]

if you have multiple fans all running off one header, the BIOS sees them all as one fan.

My problem was that the Fan Control software was only detecting one fan and my GPU, it was not detecting all fans. There are a total of 6 fans in my PC excluding the GPU.

I went through the trouble of reconnecting the fans and now have a total of 4 fans connected directly to the mobo, not on splitters. Before there was only one, and that was the one Fan Control could detect. After all of that, Fan Control still failed to detect them, even after running Assisted Setup a second time. I just went back to BIOS settings lol.

It sounds like you would need to remove motherboard from the case to properly mount it. That is the sort of thing best done outside the case.

I think the issue is the case itself... the mobo is nearly touching the top of the PSU, there just isn't much clearance. I can always remove the CPU cooler and connect to those, but that is such a pain that I don't want to bother. I've fiddled with my PC enough recently as it is.

 

[Zed Clampet]

My problem was that the Fan Control software was only detecting one fan and my GPU, it was not detecting all fans. There are a total of 6 fans in my PC excluding the GPU.

I went through the trouble of reconnecting the fans and now have a total of 4 fans connected directly to the mobo, not on splitters. Before there was only one, and that was the one Fan Control could detect. After all of that, Fan Control still failed to detect them, even after running Assisted Setup a second time. I just went back to BIOS settings lol.


I think the issue is the case itself... the mobo is nearly touching the top of the PSU, there just isn't much clearance. I can always remove the CPU cooler and connect to those, but that is such a pain that I don't want to bother. I've fiddled with my PC enough recently as it is.

There are a couple of fans in my system Fan Control can't recognize, but they don't make any noise, so I just chose to ignore them

Actually, the only fans I can hear are the GPU fans.

 

[Charagma]

Just to be clear, you have the source code? Or do you just have a copy of the program?

HUH?, yeah two of those with fries please. This is an English forum .... please speak English to me ....... LMAO. I have access to the web page, if that is what you are asking. This specific one is very basic. few clicks and it does what it is supposed to but after that it's a headache. I will explain everything when you are ready. No rush though, I have been using it for years and instead of scissors and paper and printer to complete the whole process I drop the output in word and then manually do the rest. All confusing right now but you will understand when we get to that point.

Edit: Verbasizer if you want to have a look at it

Edit2: Just saw in the about section is is from 1995.

 

[neogunhero]

There are a couple of fans in my system Fan Control can't recognize, but they don't make any noise, so I just chose to ignore them

Actually, the only fans I can hear are the GPU fans.

At the end of the day all I care about is good cooling regardless of what software I use. I've seen Fan Control recommended so much, but for me BIOS is easiest for case fans and Afterburner for GPU fans. I just can't seem to get it to work. My GPU stays below 65c and CPU stays below 50c in Enshrouded so I'm happy, just need to stop fiddling with it lol.

 

[Colif]

I went through the trouble of reconnecting the fans and now have a total of 4 fans connected directly to the mobo, not on splitters. Before there was only one, and that was the one Fan Control could detect. After all of that, Fan Control still failed to detect them, even after running Assisted Setup a second time. I just went back to BIOS settings lol.

that is strange. Are they all Noctua fans? What model?
I wonder if they are showing in BIOS as DC fans and should just be swapped...

What motherboard do you have?

think i can hear my fans but I think they just dusty... its about due for a clean.

 

[Zed Clampet]

HUH?, yeah two of those with fries please. This is an English forum .... please speak English to me ....... LMAO. I have access to the web page, if that is what you are asking. This specific one is very basic. few clicks and it does what it is supposed to but after that it's a headache. I will explain everything when you are ready. No rush though, I have been using it for years and instead of scissors and paper and printer to complete the whole process I drop the output in word and then manually do the rest. All confusing right now but you will understand when we get to that point.

Edit: Verbasizer if you want to have a look at it

Edit2: Just saw in the about section is is from 1995.

I understand now. I thought you had an old program that didn't work anymore, but you actually need a new program that works like an old program.

As an extreme non-poet, I don't guarantee that I'll be able to tell if the output is helpful to a lyricist, but I'll give it a try.

Was there any logic to how it pulled phrases out of, for instance, news articles and then put them back together or was it completely random? What made it better than cutting sentences out of a newspaper, mixing them in a hat, and then pulling them out in random order? Obviously, using a PC to do that is easier, but is it also more effective due to how the quotes are selected and arranged or is that part of it just random? I'm assuming it's random.

 

[Charagma]

Someone will probably say something since I am hogging the topic now (Hence my silence of late).

LMAO, but have a look at the video in the about section. Pretty much explains what it does. It is not supposed to write songs for you it is just to broaden your scope on possible lyrics or words. So will basically need an "Input area", random word splicing area, and an output area. Output area needs to be movable so that you can rearrange the "cut-ups".

I know it sounds dumb, but example. If you had something to broaden your spectrum on ideas for a quest in a game. Instead of the usual "I walked into a jungle", you now have maybe 17 new ideas as to how you get into the jungle by clicking two buttons..........Do not know if that makes sense like that.

Unfortunately, AI is Copyright protected and every song imaginable is too (Unfair that a computer program may own (copyright) something it stole from humans, but that's unfortunately the laws), but if I can copy and paste say yesterday's news paper article about the amazon, I might have words to a song about the amazon tomorrow night.

 

[Colif]

Someone will probably say something since I am hogging the topic now (Hence my silence of late).

i wouldn't worry about that

 

[neogunhero]

that is strange. Are they all Noctua fans? What model?
I wonder if they are showing in BIOS as DC fans and should just be swapped...

What motherboard do you have?

think i can hear my fans but I think they just dusty... its about due for a clean.

Motherboard is a Gigabyte AORUS Gaming 5 X470.

Two front intake fans and one rear exhaust fan are all Noctua NF-S12B Redux PWM fans. Top exhaust fan is a Arctic P12 Slim PWM. CPU cooler is a Thermalright Peerless Assassin V3 with twin PWM fans. The two CPU cooler fans are connected to a Noctua splitter, all four other fans are connected direct to the mobo.

I'm not fully sure if every fan shows up in BIOS individually. I applied a fan curve to all fan headers. I can go into each fan header and see an RPM to know it's picking up that specific fan, though I just apply a curve across the board.

 

[Colif]

hmm, motherboard manual doesn't help

All fan headers on this motherboard are 4-pin. Most fan headers possess a foolproof insertion design. When connecting a fan cable, be sure to connect it in the correct orientation (the black connector wire is the ground wire). The speed control function requires the use of a fan with fan speed control design

the problem appears to be the fan controller used by that Motherboard isn't supported by Fan Control (more its not in the database they use for parts)

Fan Control does not find all fans. · Issue #977 · Rem0o/FanControl.Releases

To start off : I'm an absolute beginner when it comes to this kind of software so if you have answers please keep it as simple as possible , thank you =) System : Mainboard - Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ul...

github.com

Just buy a new PC (just joking)
not that it helps but Gigabyte used a different controller on the X570 as headers worked as expected there... or I would have known the answer without looking