April 2025 General Game Discussion

[neogunhero]

Sad moment for me last night. Tried playing Oblivion Remastered, the game barely hung onto 40FPS on Low-Medium settings with DLSS set to Balanced. The sewers looked fine and stayed close to 60 on High settings, but as soon as I stepped out into the open world my FPS tanked. I just knew that was going to happen. The game looked like absolute crap. Worse than the original, everything was so muddy and aliased, I just turned it off shortly after I left the sewers. . Looked at GPU’s online and laughed. I was disappointed to say the least.

At least Dying Light 2 runs perfectly on High setting for me, constant 60FPS, and I’m still having fun with it. I was worried Oblivion would make me drop DL2 since I don’t like playing two games that are a commitment at the same time, but I guess I’m glad to know that’s not the case.

Oblivion will be on GP forever so I can always play again if I get a better PC. Honestly at this point, a Xbox is cheaper than a new GPU, and I wouldn’t have to mess with performance issues for a while… do I just ship and join the console players or… no I can’t do that, I must be strong.

 

[Zed Clampet]

I'm not sure if I'll do all of the endings myself, but the game is short enough that I can at least do a bunch of them. I got two of them so far, with the second one being the "good" ending.

The good ending was what I got, although I took the long route to get it. If I had gotten a terrible ending I probably would have played through it again.

 

[Zed Clampet]

Sad moment for me last night. Tried playing Oblivion Remastered, the game barely hung onto 40FPS on Low-Medium settings with DLSS set to Balanced. The sewers looked fine and stayed close to 60 on High settings, but as soon as I stepped out into the open world my FPS tanked. I just knew that was going to happen. The game looked like absolute crap. Worse than the original, everything was so muddy and aliased, I just turned it off shortly after I left the sewers. . Looked at GPU’s online and laughed. I was disappointed to say the least.

At least Dying Light 2 runs perfectly on High setting for me, constant 60FPS, and I’m still having fun with it. I was worried Oblivion would make me drop DL2 since I don’t like playing two games that are a commitment at the same time, but I guess I’m glad to know that’s not the case.

Oblivion will be on GP forever so I can always play again if I get a better PC. Honestly at this point, a Xbox is cheaper than a new GPU, and I wouldn’t have to mess with performance issues for a while… do I just ship and join the console players or… no I can’t do that, I must be strong.

That stinks. There are a bunch of mods that may even produce better results (I have no idea if that is the case), and/or it's possible that they might be easier on your PC. Here's a handy list, although you have to scroll for a mile to get to the actual mods.

Bevilex' modlist for Oblivion - Graphics

My modlist with installation order and instructions to completely remaster Oblivion's graphics.

www.nexusmods.com

 

[neogunhero]

That stinks. There are a bunch of mods that may even produce better results (I have no idea if that is the case), and/or it's possible that they might be easier on your PC.

I've seen a bunch of optimizer mods on Nexus Mods already. The comments sections on them are divided though. Someone claims they have the same card as I do and went from 20fps-60fps in major towns. Other comments say there is no difference. I'll try this out as well as DLSS Swapper to change to DLSS 4 and hopefully it will produce some good results. General consensus seems to blame UE5 for poor performance, but people say that about every single new UE5 game.

 

[Zed Clampet]

I have watched that before. They also have MIni Metro

Somehow they managed to make those games completely different even though the subject matter and graphics are extremely similar.

 

[Zed Clampet]

I've seen a bunch of optimizer mods on Nexus Mods already. The comments sections on them are divided though. Someone claims they have the same card as I do and went from 20fps-60fps in major towns. Other comments say there is no difference. I'll try this out as well as DLSS Swapper to change to DLSS 4 and hopefully it will produce some good results. General consensus seems to blame UE5 for poor performance, but people say that about every single new UE5 game.

A ton of big developers are using UE5 now, and it keeps being improved upon. It was bad for stuttering when they first released it, but all of that has been fixed, but it will live on in the minds of gamers until the end of time.

 

[neogunhero]

A ton of big developers are using UE5 now, and it keeps being improved upon. It was bad for stuttering when they first released it, but all of that has been fixed, but it will live on in the minds of gamers until the end of time.

Everything gets better with time, but this is Bethesda (Virtuos technically) we’re talking about, they find someway to mess things up. Stuttering is amongst the top problems players are having with this game. Talking to a friend who bought it on Steam, he mentioned it happens every time you get into a load zone, and I can confirm that for me. It could just be weak hardware, but the game stutters very badly during load screens, with the audio constantly coming in and out.

Surely all of this will be fixed over time with patches. Bethesda isn't known to introduce major patches for too long, but hopefully Virtuos will do better in that regard. Hell, they've done the unthinkable and added a dedicated FOV slider to a Bethesda game, so maybe anything's possible.

 

[Zed Clampet]

Everything gets better with time, but this is Bethesda (Virtuos technically) we’re talking about, they find someway to mess things up. Stuttering is amongst the top problems players are having with this game. Talking to a friend who bought it on Steam, he mentioned it happens every time you get into a load zone, and I can confirm that for me. It could just be weak hardware, but the game stutters very badly during load screens, with the audio constantly coming in and out.

Surely all of this will be fixed over time with patches. Bethesda isn't known to introduce major patches for too long, but hopefully Virtuos will do better in that regard. Hell, they've done the unthinkable and added a dedicated FOV slider to a Bethesda game, so maybe anything's possible.

It may not be entirely Bethesda's fault. Maybe Epic didn't fully fix the stuttering. Then again, it is Bethesda, so it's probably their fault.

 

[neogunhero]

It may not be entirely Bethesda's fault. Maybe Epic didn't fully fix the stuttering. Then again, it is Bethesda, so it's probably their fault.

I tried an optimizer mod and DLSS swapper in Oblivion Remastered, and it improved FPS slightly but still not where I want it to be. If it would stay at a solid 45FPS I could probably live with it, but it was jumping up and down way too often. Hopefully they can fix some of the performance issues with some updates, I'm seeing lots of people online also complaining about it, but then again the complaints tend to be the loudest so I'm unsure how many people are really affected by it.

 

[Zed Clampet]

I tried an optimizer mod and DLSS swapper in Oblivion Remastered, and it improved FPS slightly but still not where I want it to be. If it would stay at a solid 45FPS I could probably live with it, but it was jumping up and down way too often. Hopefully they can fix some of the performance issues with some updates, I'm seeing lots of people online also complaining about it, but then again the complaints tend to be the loudest so I'm unsure how many people are really affected by it.

I've been spoiled from buying good laptops. I used to say that as long as the FPS was in the mid 20s that I could deal with it, but I played a game the other day that was locked to 30 fps, and I just couldn't stand it. I didn't know it had been locked to 30 fps until later and didn't have my counter on at first and thought it was running in the teens, but, no, it was 30 and unbearable.

 

[neogunhero]

I've been spoiled from buying good laptops. I used to say that as long as the FPS was in the mid 20s that I could deal with it, but I played a game the other day that was locked to 30 fps, and I just couldn't stand it. I didn't know it had been locked to 30 fps until later and didn't have my counter on at first and thought it was running in the teens, but, no, it was 30 and unbearable.

I've always been in the camp of if it can hit 60, then I'm fine with the graphics looking bad. This has been changing over time however, as a lot of modern games look terrible on Low, and sometimes even Medium settings. Not sure why that is because I remember many times having to lower graphics settings for certain games and not being bothered by how it looked. Games like Atomfall, Stalker 2, now Oblivion Remastered look terrible once I start to lower the settings.

 

[Pifanjr]

The good ending was what I got, although I took the long route to get it. If I had gotten a terrible ending I probably would have played through it again.

Seems I was a bit premature. I only just now completed a full playthrough, I hadn't realised there was a longer, overarching plot happening at first.

I thought about going for 100% completion, but I felt like that would kind of cheapen the experience I had, so I started on Inscryption instead. I managed to defeat the first two bosses so far.

 

[Zed Clampet]

Seems I was a bit premature. I only just now completed a full playthrough, I hadn't realised there was a longer, overarching plot happening at first.

I thought about going for 100% completion, but I felt like that would kind of cheapen the experience I had, so I started on Inscryption instead. I managed to defeat the first two bosses so far.

It took me a little more than 4 hours to get my ending in Slay the Princess.

Let me know how you like Inscription.

 

[Zed Clampet]

I've always been in the camp of if it can hit 60, then I'm fine with the graphics looking bad. This has been changing over time however, as a lot of modern games look terrible on Low, and sometimes even Medium settings. Not sure why that is because I remember many times having to lower graphics settings for certain games and not being bothered by how it looked. Games like Atomfall, Stalker 2, now Oblivion Remastered look terrible once I start to lower the settings.

Just curious, but do you lower the settings by changing the overall quality settings, or do you go through and pick which ones you want to lower? I've been known to do both, but if the game looks terrible by lowering the overall settings, then I go back and just change the things I know have the most impact on performance.

Also, have you checked the Nvidia Control Panel to make sure you are using your discreet graphics? I'm sure you are. It just seems like you should be getting better performance. I have a laptop with a 2080 in it, but because it's a laptop, it's probably closer to a desktop 2060 than a 2080, and this laptop does fine in any game I've run on it with medium settings.

 

[Colif]

Everything gets better with time, but this is Bethesda (Virtuos technically) we’re talking about, they find someway to mess things up.

Oblivion remastered is their chance to learn UE5 without having to start completely from scratch, and you right, its Bethesda so they will learn how to recreate their mistakes again. They need this practice for the new Elder Scrolls as they can't keep remaking their old games forever - though I do know someone who wishes they would make Morrowind again

Maybe see if this works better

Skyblivion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I am not sure I want to sit through an hour of compiling shaders on two PC so might just wait until I build next PC before looking at it. Friend who has a 7800x3d/7900xt, at 4k with FSR set to performance and RT off, he was getting 60 outside and 85 inside, and I wouldn't be running at 4k so I expect it be okay.

I assume he means Lumen since it doesn't have RT support outside of that.

 

[neogunhero]

Just curious, but do you lower the settings by changing the overall quality settings, or do you go through and pick which ones you want to lower? I've been known to do both, but if the game looks terrible by lowering the overall settings, then I go back and just change the things I know have the most impact on performance.

Also, have you checked the Nvidia Control Panel to make sure you are using your discreet graphics? I'm sure you are. It just seems like you should be getting better performance. I have a laptop with a 2080 in it, but because it's a laptop, it's probably closer to a desktop 2060 than a 2080, and this laptop does fine in any game I've run on it with medium settings.

I always go through the entire settings list and change the ones I generally know hurt FPS. Typically it's the usual suspects like Shadow Quality, Global Illumination, Texture Quality, etc., and often I'll follow a PCG guide for best graphics settings, they handily list performance gains in percentages based off different settings.

And I don't have a discreet GPU, it is running directly off the card. I haven't played around in the control panel to improve FPS though, but I have global settings set to ones that generally do offer better performance like Power Management Mode set to Prefer Maximum Performance and Low Latency Mode set to On (does improve FPS but better responsiveness can have a slight placebo benefit when running games at low FPS).

I have no issues running most of the games I play. It's the brand spanking new games that are giving me issues. I've talked about it a bunch here before, but specifically Indiana Jones and Stalker 2 were the most troublesome, but even on Stalker 2 I was able to get a solid 40FPS on Low settings DLSS set to Balanced. When it's stable at around 40FPS, if it's a game I really want to play, then I can usually deal with it. The problem with Oblivion is that the FPS jumps like CRAZY, going everywhere from 20FPS to 40 to 15 to 60 all within a span of a few seconds, and it is like that constantly. The mods and DLSS swapper did not seem to do much besides raise the number it may land on for a few seconds. It leads me to believe that this is an issue for the devs, not just my PC, but of course that is part of the issue.

 

[Zed Clampet]

I always go through the entire settings list and change the ones I generally know hurt FPS. Typically it's the usual suspects like Shadow Quality, Global Illumination, Texture Quality, etc., and often I'll follow a PCG guide for best graphics settings, they handily list performance gains in percentages based off different settings.

And I don't have a discreet GPU, it is running directly off the card. I haven't played around in the control panel to improve FPS though, but I have global settings set to ones that generally do offer better performance like Power Management Mode set to Prefer Maximum Performance and Low Latency Mode set to On (does improve FPS but better responsiveness can have a slight placebo benefit when running games at low FPS).

I have no issues running most of the games I play. It's the brand spanking new games that are giving me issues. I've talked about it a bunch here before, but specifically Indiana Jones and Stalker 2 were the most troublesome, but even on Stalker 2 I was able to get a solid 40FPS on Low settings DLSS set to Balanced. When it's stable at around 40FPS, if it's a game I really want to play, then I can usually deal with it. The problem with Oblivion is that the FPS jumps like CRAZY, going everywhere from 20FPS to 40 to 15 to 60 all within a span of a few seconds, and it is like that constantly. The mods and DLSS swapper did not seem to do much besides raise the number it may land on for a few seconds. It leads me to believe that this is an issue for the devs, not just my PC, but of course that is part of the issue.

For months now, off and on, I've tried to fix your problem as if I know something magical that you don't. I'll stop now. The only good advice I gave you was this:

"Just borrow a credit card from your wife and buy a new GPU. If she notices, just keep insisting that she agreed to it in exchange for "sexy times" and start taking your clothes off. Dancing while you do this is optional but recommended."

 

[neogunhero]

For months now, off and on, I've tried to fix your problem as if I know something magical that you don't. I'll stop now. The only good advice I gave you was this:

I'll give you this, I have had some very beginner type of problems as of late. Things like not slotting my RAM correctly, or putting in my new case fan backwards. Almost makes me ashamed to even be here

I'm still holding out hope that someday we will see GPU prices lower. Who knows if that will ever happen with the state of the world's economics, but I still have a glimmer of hope that I will see an RTX 5060 at the $300 MSRP price one day.

 

[Zed Clampet]

@neogu

I'll give you this, I have had some very beginner type of problems as of late. Things like not slotting my RAM correctly, or putting in my new case fan backwards. Almost makes me ashamed to even be here

I'm still holding out hope that someday we will see GPU prices lower. Who knows if that will ever happen with the state of the world's economics, but I still have a glimmer of hope that I will see an RTX 5060 at the $300 MSRP price one day.

Well, that's what it is supposed to cost, and the prices are dropping fairly quickly on the 5070ti. It started out over $2000. Then the next time I checked it was $1400, and now it's $899. So maybe we'll get to the suggested retail prices on these eventually.

By the way, I got you beat on poor performance. I downloaded Expedition 33. One of the main things that attracted me to that game were the graphics. I thought it was the most beautiful game I'd ever seen.

So I started up the game and went to the settings to check the graphics settings, and it had everything on Low and DLSS on high performance. I changed the DLSS to quality, and everything else to High. I figured I could endure anything above 30 FPS. Guess what I got? One. I got 1 FPS. lol So now I'm waiting for my PC parts to get here because this is the one game I won't compromise on. Based on my big brain, if the mobile 3070ti got 1 fps, and the 5070ti is 140 percent faster, then I should be getting, er, 2.4 fps.

Maybe I should be checking what it looks like on Low, or plan to play this game 30 years from now.

 

[Colif]

I still have a glimmer of hope that I will see an RTX 5060 at the $300 MSRP price one day.

Not while Jensen lives.

 

[neogunhero]

Not while Jensen lives.

You're not wrong. The cheapest RTX 3060 I can find on Amazon is still $400, that card is 5 years old. One can hope, but it won't do anything to change the fact that PC hardware pricing is absolutely ridiculous. It may be even smarter to just save up for a good prebuilt PC, but at that point I get nervous about cheap motherboard or PSU's being used.

 

[Zed Clampet]

Not while Jensen lives.

Jensen isn't setting the prices you see in the stores.

 

[Zed Clampet]

You're not wrong. The cheapest RTX 3060 I can find on Amazon is still $400, that card is 5 years old. One can hope, but it won't do anything to change the fact that PC hardware pricing is absolutely ridiculous. It may be even smarter to just save up for a good prebuilt PC, but at that point I get nervous about cheap motherboard or PSU's being used.

You could set your sites on the 5050 ti. The xx50 series has actually started being a solid choice with the new DLSS.

 

[Colif]

I can only find the 5060 TI locally and given conversion rate, they are between 700 to 800 here, 5070 TI are about 1800, and thats about where I stop as prices get silly from there.

5090 only costs $7000, and thats meant to be a low price. I could make my entire PC twice for that much, or just buy my PC and put a 5080 in it and save $4000

 

[neogunhero]

You could set your sites on the 5050 ti. The xx50 series has actually started being a solid choice with the new DLSS.

I've had a similar thought on a very cheap gaming laptop for my girlfriend. A few months ago I was finding RTX 4050 laptops for $550, they're all mostly $650-700 now, but at that price point, DLSS would be a huge help. I wonder how a dedicated 5050 Ti would stack up against my 2060.