What do you like about Warhammer 40k?

Checked my play history, and I've played some or all of 6 Warhammer 40k games--my favorites being Rogue Trader and Darktide, but I struggle to be enthusiastic about upcoming projects because of the way the games have shaped my concept of the world. I have little to zero emotional investment in what happens to humanity because everyone seems to be either a soldier or crazy or both. There are no sympathetic characters.


Maybe Cavill's big productions will win me over, or maybe I need to find a good book to read. Don't know. I just don't care about anyone in that world right now.

Note: I haven't really dived into the lore. Everything I know I picked up casually from video games.
 
I like the decades of ridiculous lore and I like the designs of each species. They're not particularly complicated, but that just makes it easy to grasp how each species functions and there's a large variety of them, which is great for (video) games.

It's a bit similar to why I like Marvel and DC. Those also have decades of ridiculous lore and their large variety of characters are all based on fairly simple concepts as well.

I generally care more about world building than characters anyway, so I don't really mind the lack of sympathetic characters or emotional investment in what happens to any particular character or species.
 
emotional investment in what happens to any particular character or species.
I think that the Total War Warhammer games have helped me a lot with the Age of Sigmar, or whatever it is, because Creative Assembly gives the lords so much character. I enjoy playing some of the factions just because I like the leaders so much, like Greasus Goldtooth or Thorgrim Grudgebearer.
 
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Honestly, not a ton.

I don't generally play 40k games and I don't think I've spent any appreciable time with anything other than Dawn of War 2 back on release, which I didn't like.

I've been playing the tabletop game of it for going on five years now and it's fine? The rules are a bit crap and the competitive scene is pretty obnoxious as well. I do have a couple of pet factions I quite like, such as the Orks and Necrons, but beyond that I'm mostly lukewarm on it even though I have easily $1500+ worth of models (though I didn't spend nearly that much...I think).

I can't relate to any of the lore because it's just so fantastical and filled which such nonsense and retcons, it's not easily possible to keep track of it. Which is actually one of the main reasons I like Orks, because they're just so silly and don't care at all about the Lore or anything really related to it; sure they have plenty of Lore, but it doesn't matter in the least. This is why I picked them as my first faction when I began playing the game.

Honestly, Age of Sigmar is way better for the fact that it's been made relatively recently (like in the last 10ish years) and doesn't have all the baggage that 40k carries with it. Even the community tends to be better, but the competitive scene is still pretty obnoxious, as most competitive scenes tend to be, so I don't think that's wholly on Warhammer.

Also their business model sucks. $50 for your army rules every three years, $60 for the Core rules every 3 years and then if you want to remain with the competitive rules, it's $40 every six months (though they recently changed this to once a year).

Anyway, sorry to grouse. I'm generally kind of annoyed with Games Workshop, though I have been playing 40k tabletop again recently. I still think there are infinitely better games and systems out there, especially from the company Warlord Games, who was spawned from disgruntled GW employees. Warlord is expensive, but I don't feel like they're trying to gouge my wallet and their games are generally just better designed.
 
I think that the Total War Warhammer games have helped me a lot with the Age of Sigmar, or whatever it is, because Creative Assembly gives the lords so much character. I enjoy playing some of the factions just because I like the leaders so much, like Greasus Goldtooth or Thorgrim Grudgebearer.

Also FWIW, Total War is based on Warhammer Fantasy (now technically called Old World) and while Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar do have some crossover, they are different systems and worlds.
 
I don't play the table top war game, but i love reading the books. I think what impressed me most is the backstory and lore of all the factions and the back story of the technology. Looking at the first founding legions of the space marines, who led them, how they were discovered, pre discovery, famous battles, thier battle tactics etc etc excited me. Perhaps its because i used it as a reference on how to develop and design military units. hell, the Horus heresy is just oodles of lore goodness

The other is the story of some of the more famous key battles. i get much of that material in the RPG or codex books. I don't care for the stats and the data sheets, but i'm all for the backstory.

The books themselves are entertaining as well, for those who have no interest in WH40k i recommend the ciaphas cain series as its more a interesting sci fi comedy.

Whilst i love Wh40k lore, would i recommend watching it on tv and would it lure in new fans? not so sure.
 
Im not huge into the lore of the series either, so i never read any of the books, just what ive read in the games ive played, but i absolutely love the aesthetic of the series. The super goth and cyberpunk-y looking everything. Its a fantastic backdrop for galactic wars.

I was into the table-top as a kid only for a brief time, going to 2 events with a friend of mine that loved to paint his soldiers and battlefields. It was wayyy too expensive for me to get into and im not that great at painting, so i wasnt interested in it more than that.

Ive played the warhammer games over the years because as a game its fun.

My biggest turn-off to the series as a whole is the whole religious aspect and the "for the emperor!". If i was in Warhammer i would def. be a heretic because i wouldnt want to be praising no emperor in that time.

Also, great idea for a new series of questions around franchises when somethin big happens.
 
My biggest turn-off to the series as a whole is the whole religious aspect and the "for the emperor!". If i was in Warhammer i would def. be a heretic because i wouldnt want to be praising no emperor in that time.

Surprisingly, prior to the WH40k universe the emperor absolutely hated the idea that he was a god and discouraged it strongly. Every planet he liberated/conquered he sent people to teach the imperial truth (science/logic etc). people began to worship him as a god nearer the end of the 30k and was probably the main reason it sparked off the horus heresy (a galactic civil war that turned half of the empire against the emperor). But the worship of the emperor didn't take off till after the horus heresy and dogma took from reason.

i could go indepth the reasons and factors, but that would bore people.
 
Wouldn't hurt me to read it :)

See the following link:



And oh boy, when Roboute Guilliman awoke (in WH40k terms this was a VERY significant event) he was in for a nasty surprise:


Roboute Guilliman settled heavily into his new throne. The Primarch had despatchedall of his attendants and advisors, even sending his Honour Guard to wait outside the sanctum. At last he could allow a little of his sorrow, trauma and pain to show, and Guilliman let his mask drop with a sigh of relief. Whatever had been done to him to bring him back,it had left the Primarch with a constant, gnawing ache that radiated from deep within. He suspected that pain would never leave him.

Physical hurts were the least of Guilliman’s troubles. One by one,the Primarch had spoken with eachof the Celestinians, the lords of the Ultramarines, and even Yvraine of the Ynnari. Days had been spent in deep, earnest conversation, Guilliman using every iota of his statesman’s guile to set his guests at ease, to tease from themas much information as he could, and to hide his reactions to their words. Guilliman had thanked each of his visitors for their insights and their service to the Imperium, inwardly assessing each of his guests and showing them whatever aspect of his personality was surest to render them sympathetic and voluble.

Though he had not shown it, each fresh revelation struck the Primarch like acannon shell. He was exhausted fromstaving off bewilderment and horror, hollowed out by pain. Guilliman groanedand placed his head in his hands, his new suit of armour hissing and humming with the motion.

‘Millennia have passed,’ he murmured, unsure to whom he spoke. He knew only that he had to vocalise his situation before it drove him mad. Not for the first time since his return, Guilliman wished for one of his brothers to speak with. They, at least, might have understood.

‘Thousands of years,’ he said. ‘And look what has become of them. Of us. Idolatry. Ignorance. Suffering and squalor, in the name of a god who never desired the title’.

Guilliman shook his head and stood, pacing across the Chapter Master’s sanctum to stare up at the banners hanging on the western wall. Each was the height of an Imperial Knight, a cascade of masterfully woven cloth depicting the glories of the Ultramarines. Slain alien beasts, executed heretic despots, worlds saved and worlds burned. The Chapter’s proud iconography was much in evidence, but so was the aquila of the Imperium and there, presiding over several of the heraldic designs, a figure with throne and halo who must surely be the Emperor.

‘We failed, father,’ said Guilliman, his words tired and leaden with sorrow. ‘You failed your sons, and we, in our turn, failed you. And now, to compound our arrogance and vainglory, we have failed all of them, too. Did Horus not say that you sought godhood? He built a rebellion upon that claim. How he would gloat, tosee the Imperium now.’

Anger surged through the Lord of Ultramar, and he clenched his fists with the effort of self-restraint. He imagined destroying this chamber, tearing it apart and hurling its wreckage around like a wild beast. He dared not, lest these strangers in his Chapter’s livery see through his facade. Though he wrestled with despair, the Primarch knew that he could not let his weakness show. Calgar, Tigurius, Agemman, all the others – they looked at him as though he were the Emperor himself. Guilliman was painfully aware of his symbolic quality, and of how desperate and dark the hour had become. He must show nothing but strength to his gene-sons, lest his despair taint their hearts, too.


‘And yet, would it really matter,’ he sighed, turning his back on the banners and pacing across the chamber to stare through a stained glass window. Outthere, across the war-torn immensity ofthe Fortress of Hera, Guilliman saw the sweeping bulwark where his old chambers had once been. They had belonged to his father, even before him. He had laidhis plans there, spoken to his brothers,laughed and raged and – on one occasion– almost died. Now they were gone, buried beneath ugly agglomerations of buttressing and gun batteries. It was apt, he thought bitterly.

Guilliman’s anger spilled over, and hespan on his heel, staring up at the woven Emperor with accusing eyes.

‘Why do I still live,’ he snarled. ‘What more do you want from me? I gaveeverything I had to you, to them. Look what they’ve made of our dream. Thisbloated, rotting carcass of an empire is driven not by reason and hope but byfear, hate and ignorance. Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus’ ambition than live to see this.’

Even as he said it, Guilliman heardthe lie in his words. Amongst his brothers, none had been more idealistic than Roboute Guilliman. None had envisioned a brighter future, not just for Mankind but also for the warriors of the Legiones Astartes. That flame of hope had been a part of him for as long as he had lived. Even now, as it was smotheredby darkness and woe, Guilliman realised that his flame endured.

‘There’s hope still,’ he told himself, turning back to the window and placing one armoured palm against it. He stared out at the work gangs, labouring to repair the damage of war, and the Ultramarines stood proud and determined upon the ramparts. They had been born into this dark millennium, and had known nothing but the hardship, suffering and despair of unending conflict. Yet still they struggled on unbowed, despite the countless enemies ranged against them.

Guilliman had seen a better age, one of hope and triumph. What right had he, a super human son of the Emperor himself, to show any less strength and courage than his followers born in darkness? Guilliman had seen what Humanity could achieve. Moreover, he knew what fruits Cawl’s labours had borne beneath the surface of Mars. He believed that a better future for the Imperium was still possible. But only if those who tormented Mankind were first defeated.

‘All of this misery,’ said Guilliman. ‘All of this suffering and pain. It is not the doing of Humanity, but of those who have betrayed us. Too long have the pawnsof Chaos dictated our species’ fate. That must end.’ Guilliman felt new strength fill him. Inspired by it, the Primarch took his pain, and his desolation, and locked themaway deep within his mind. But his rage he kept. That, he would have use for. Later there would be time to mourn, toreason, to plan anew. Now was the timeto fight, and to make his father’s enemies pay for every horror they had inflictedupon the Imperium
 
See the following link:



And oh boy, when Roboute Guilliman awoke (in WH40k terms this was a VERY significant event) he was in for a nasty surprise:


Roboute Guilliman settled heavily into his new throne. The Primarch had despatchedall of his attendants and advisors, even sending his Honour Guard to wait outside the sanctum. At last he could allow a little of his sorrow, trauma and pain to show, and Guilliman let his mask drop with a sigh of relief. Whatever had been done to him to bring him back,it had left the Primarch with a constant, gnawing ache that radiated from deep within. He suspected that pain would never leave him.

Physical hurts were the least of Guilliman’s troubles. One by one,the Primarch had spoken with eachof the Celestinians, the lords of the Ultramarines, and even Yvraine of the Ynnari. Days had been spent in deep, earnest conversation, Guilliman using every iota of his statesman’s guile to set his guests at ease, to tease from themas much information as he could, and to hide his reactions to their words. Guilliman had thanked each of his visitors for their insights and their service to the Imperium, inwardly assessing each of his guests and showing them whatever aspect of his personality was surest to render them sympathetic and voluble.

Though he had not shown it, each fresh revelation struck the Primarch like acannon shell. He was exhausted fromstaving off bewilderment and horror, hollowed out by pain. Guilliman groanedand placed his head in his hands, his new suit of armour hissing and humming with the motion.

‘Millennia have passed,’ he murmured, unsure to whom he spoke. He knew only that he had to vocalise his situation before it drove him mad. Not for the first time since his return, Guilliman wished for one of his brothers to speak with. They, at least, might have understood.

‘Thousands of years,’ he said. ‘And look what has become of them. Of us. Idolatry. Ignorance. Suffering and squalor, in the name of a god who never desired the title’.

Guilliman shook his head and stood, pacing across the Chapter Master’s sanctum to stare up at the banners hanging on the western wall. Each was the height of an Imperial Knight, a cascade of masterfully woven cloth depicting the glories of the Ultramarines. Slain alien beasts, executed heretic despots, worlds saved and worlds burned. The Chapter’s proud iconography was much in evidence, but so was the aquila of the Imperium and there, presiding over several of the heraldic designs, a figure with throne and halo who must surely be the Emperor.

‘We failed, father,’ said Guilliman, his words tired and leaden with sorrow. ‘You failed your sons, and we, in our turn, failed you. And now, to compound our arrogance and vainglory, we have failed all of them, too. Did Horus not say that you sought godhood? He built a rebellion upon that claim. How he would gloat, tosee the Imperium now.’

Anger surged through the Lord of Ultramar, and he clenched his fists with the effort of self-restraint. He imagined destroying this chamber, tearing it apart and hurling its wreckage around like a wild beast. He dared not, lest these strangers in his Chapter’s livery see through his facade. Though he wrestled with despair, the Primarch knew that he could not let his weakness show. Calgar, Tigurius, Agemman, all the others – they looked at him as though he were the Emperor himself. Guilliman was painfully aware of his symbolic quality, and of how desperate and dark the hour had become. He must show nothing but strength to his gene-sons, lest his despair taint their hearts, too.


‘And yet, would it really matter,’ he sighed, turning his back on the banners and pacing across the chamber to stare through a stained glass window. Outthere, across the war-torn immensity ofthe Fortress of Hera, Guilliman saw the sweeping bulwark where his old chambers had once been. They had belonged to his father, even before him. He had laidhis plans there, spoken to his brothers,laughed and raged and – on one occasion– almost died. Now they were gone, buried beneath ugly agglomerations of buttressing and gun batteries. It was apt, he thought bitterly.

Guilliman’s anger spilled over, and hespan on his heel, staring up at the woven Emperor with accusing eyes.

‘Why do I still live,’ he snarled. ‘What more do you want from me? I gaveeverything I had to you, to them. Look what they’ve made of our dream. Thisbloated, rotting carcass of an empire is driven not by reason and hope but byfear, hate and ignorance. Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus’ ambition than live to see this.’

Even as he said it, Guilliman heardthe lie in his words. Amongst his brothers, none had been more idealistic than Roboute Guilliman. None had envisioned a brighter future, not just for Mankind but also for the warriors of the Legiones Astartes. That flame of hope had been a part of him for as long as he had lived. Even now, as it was smotheredby darkness and woe, Guilliman realised that his flame endured.

‘There’s hope still,’ he told himself, turning back to the window and placing one armoured palm against it. He stared out at the work gangs, labouring to repair the damage of war, and the Ultramarines stood proud and determined upon the ramparts. They had been born into this dark millennium, and had known nothing but the hardship, suffering and despair of unending conflict. Yet still they struggled on unbowed, despite the countless enemies ranged against them.

Guilliman had seen a better age, one of hope and triumph. What right had he, a super human son of the Emperor himself, to show any less strength and courage than his followers born in darkness? Guilliman had seen what Humanity could achieve. Moreover, he knew what fruits Cawl’s labours had borne beneath the surface of Mars. He believed that a better future for the Imperium was still possible. But only if those who tormented Mankind were first defeated.

‘All of this misery,’ said Guilliman. ‘All of this suffering and pain. It is not the doing of Humanity, but of those who have betrayed us. Too long have the pawnsof Chaos dictated our species’ fate. That must end.’ Guilliman felt new strength fill him. Inspired by it, the Primarch took his pain, and his desolation, and locked themaway deep within his mind. But his rage he kept. That, he would have use for. Later there would be time to mourn, toreason, to plan anew. Now was the timeto fight, and to make his father’s enemies pay for every horror they had inflictedupon the Imperium

This reminds me of Dune. I should really get back to reading that.
 

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