Gaming Monitors ideas

[Colif]

Might buy one of these once I get the table... yes, there are cheaper but this matches my monitor

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Wish it wouldn't do that

give me a use for this part

Seems if I want to use the RGB on back of monitor and the lights on stand, and have them turn off with PC, I need to install Armoury Crate and set it up in there. Think I can live without distracting lights under monitor, but its good to know.

 

[Zed Clampet]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3K_BmIxh_0


I might have to try this.

 

[Colif]

No way I would have two CRT on my PC now... mainly due to their weight

I can carry both of mine in 2 hands without fearing I will drop them. (okay, if I tried to carry both at once it would be a struggle, but they way easier one at a time)

watched that last night, two outdated Techs fighting each other.

I went from a 1080i screen to an LCD TV and remember that the 1080i couldn't show a full HD picture, I only noticed that when I played Just Cause 2 on my brothers LCD and could see the entire screen.

 

[Colif]

I think I prefer SDR to HDR on my monitor

HDR

SDR

I do have more control over SDR, I can't change any values on HDR. So no idea what brightness level it is at, the SDR is about half way.
I can't make the clouds any less red. RGB values for monitor match what I find online for optimal RGB for monitor.
HDR seems more grey on window menus compared to SDR

cool desktop. Called Fire in sky, so maybe Red is right.

other monitor can't match either

not a lot of fire in that sky

but it is only one I noticed the ladder in.

 

[Colif]

One half of me wishes pixel cleaning was auto but other sees that would be annoying if it insisted while you were playing a game. Having to do it every 4 hours is a little much, so I been doing every 5 to 6. Most days I am not using PC for more than 12 hours, so two tests in that time is probably enough. Monitor does scan while its off. Or is meant to
If I don't see that RGBW pattern again, I may go back to 4 hours.

Getting used to monitor with discord being on right, this morning I looked at it first and almost forgot the 4k was attached. So I better order a 5m long cable and move it to other side of 4k.

So I didn't think these existed anymore
32 inch 2k resolution

https://www.lg.com/au/monitors/ultragear-gaming/32gs85q-b/

Guess I should have known LG still make them, the one I have is made by them.

Why am I looking at monitors still? Maybe I wouldn't mind my 2nd monitor to have HDR and better colours.
its a little expensive still so I just leave it for a while. Its not essential..

Probably bored as first time in 3 years I don't know what I want next.

 

[Colif]

I looked up the optimal settings for my old LG monitor and while a lot of them had seemingly been changed by me to the best ones, the RGB values had too much blue and green in them. Which did make wallpapers more red but not to point it can match the other one, the LG is still more orange

But if I swap the 4k screen to HDR, it becomes more orange as well. I was curious about that but its something to do with HDR having more colours and SDR being more accurate with reds.

Like to have a more accurate coloured 2nd screen but finding a 4k 32 inch ips monitor that can do portrait isn't easy. Most of them are 27 inch and I don't really want to downsize - although still to find a use for the entire screen.

QD Oled can spoil you.

I could get a woled and use it as 2nd... overkill, at least it has portrait
https://www.lg.com/au/monitors/ultragear-gaming/32gx870a-b/

Next screen needs to have a stand that pivots into portrait. LG does.
Most new LG are 5k and curved. Hope they don't remove the flat options.

Perhaps I do it next year.

 

[Colif]

Need to find a 27 inch screen and see how much smaller they are to 32 inch.
that was easy -

https://www.rtings.com/assets/pages/CPcwklCg/27-vs-32-150-scaling-large.jpg?format=auto

so the size of the screen on the 27inch fits inside the desktop of a 32 inch... too small I think.

I would look at my old spare 4k but it was 28 inches. Strange the next size down from 32 is 27 now.

AN old Linus video

He complains that we expected 60hz back then... 2k 60hz was too much hassle for my GTX 960 at the time I got monitor and I had to upgrade to a 980 to stay over 60hz. Even back then windows scaled the desktop on a 4k monitor to 2k. It was only really when I got my last PC that I could run 4k 60hz but 6 months later I replaced it with a 2k screen since I had been running that anyway, and it ran faster.

My next spare will be an oled, all the other types have reasons not to get them. No type is perfect but Oled is closest.

People want them to be brighter... so they want utter blacks and the blinding brightness of the sun in one screen... Light creates heat, which creates burn in. There is a reason most aren't very bright, Samsung 1st Gen oled were brighter but burned out... last few gen got darker but improved in other areas to compensate. And extra processes designed to make it less likely screen will suffer image retention... as that what burn in is.

Guess i think about it, 32 inch more likely. Have rest of the year.

That said, a good recommendation is to get a 27-inch monitor if you sit between 24 to 36" (60 to 90 cm) away, and a 32-inch monitor if you sit between 28 to 42" (70 to 105 cm) away from the screen.

That answers the for me. I will be further away than normal users.

27-Inch vs 32-Inch Monitors: Do You Need The Size Upgrade?

It's difficult to crown a real winner in the battle of a 27-inch vs 32-inch monitor, but the screen size affects you in a few ways.

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[Colif]

I had an oops moment.
I wanted to attach mouse to monitor directly again but the only USB A to B cables I could find were all too short to run from PC to monitor without using a USB extension cord, and that is currently used on my KB. So I would have to swap both. I had done that already but its messy.

I knew I had a longer cable but didn't know where it was. Found it today
In process of attaching it to monitor I mistakenly attached both ends of the cable to monitor... I had thought one cable was the mouse. Worked out pretty fast what I had done, but when I unplugged the type A cable from monitor, it turned off...
and wouldn't turn on again until I unplugged it from UPS. Turning PC on again wasn't enough, as it would all load on vertical monitor.

That was a little worrying when it turned self off and wouldn't come on again.
Anyway, the cables are right now and mouse linked directly to monitor - sure makes charging mouse easier. Less stretching cable from PC.

Other reason to use cables is I can install Armourycrate and configure the RGB on monitor to shutdown when windows does. I currently have it all off as it just stays on without a connection to PC.

 

[Colif]

I was hearing the USB d/c noise Windows makes. At first thought it was the keyboard but after unplugging it and running off its wireless dongle, I still got it. I only have two other USB cables and both linked to monitor.

The mouse kept losing power, I thought... seriously, not enough power from monitor to run mouse?

I was about to unplug it but when I touched the cable I realised I just had to push it into slot more as it was only just hanging on. The positioning of the inputs on back of the monitor is the hardest part about this thing. Hard to line up a cable from underneath. So the cable only just being in isn't a surprise to me.

Without picking monitor up, its hard squeeze getting inbetween gap of it and other monitor to then try to see slots that are vertically placed on back of the monitor.

I initially laid the monitor on bed to put power and display port cables in, but the USB don't get that treatment. I just move table a little and use a torch to light up the USB slots.

 

[Colif]

New monitors are meant to be plug and play, not have me spend next two weeks trying to get features to work.

Feel like I am going around in circles.

So far today:
If I start PC up after leaving Dolby Vision on, the 2nd monitor doesn't stay on at start. So I changed it in OSD to HDR and turned PC off
Next start, 2nd monitor loaded but the software for the Asus monitor, couldn't see the monitor? it wouldn't change any of the settings, and couldn't see my User profile. Restarted App and it was still the same. Turn HDR off and restart
This time the 2nd display decided not to stay on at start at all. Grumble. This been happening since weekend.

Yesterday while trying to work out the monitor not starting trick, I swapped around cables on back of the PC. So now I have put them all back in the right slots. I also made sure the two cables weren't under anything.

restart PC and monitors work...

try to get both monitors to line up so the gap is straight between them by angling the Asus up/down to match, just to hear the USB D/C sound again and see mouse turn off.

Give me a break lol. Almost give up and plug the mouse into PC again... resist...
Turn PC off and move the mouse cable to another USB slot on monitor and make sure its fully pushed in

At least monitors started up this time as well.


One possible reason Dolby Vision messing up start up is the cable. I thought when I ordered the 16k cable earlier in year, that was all I needed... no, I need a 16k @60hz cable, mine only does 30hz. Either buy a new one or move PC closer to monitor. Amazon only people with one of them and after trying to order monitor off them already, I don't like that idea.
Brother ordered that cable... one less

One reason monitors not starting is Drivers, I update Adrenaline tomorrow I guess.


Not doing it now, only had 4 hours sleep last night... really not in right condition to possibly mess windows up more... it can wait until tomorrow.

Eureka?

Its not that the second doesn't start, it turns off before windows loads, and may or may not restart with windows. The monitor was always like it, used to turn off at start when it was my only monitor... I always blamed windows, maybe its the cable.

Starts to wonder if this wasn't the problem all along... wonder how old my DP cable is... wonder which Monitor I got it for. Could be I got it for the last 4k monitor I had. Low strength cables can cause this very behaviour.

Swapped it for my 5metre long 8k@60hz cable. Overkill but as long as it works... it can do 1440p at 240hz, more than enough.

I may have been guilty of overlooking something that had always worked in the past... been there before. Not with cables. That was speakers.

What will happen tomorrow?

 

[Colif]

Running list of fixes made to get 2nd monitor to stay on with windows:
replaced the cables
updated to latest version of Adrenaline - 26.5.2
deleted all ghost monitors in device manager
Unplugged USB B cable from Asus kvm on monitor - not listed as a fix but it was a change I made before it started this, and it was redundant since it doesn't seem to have the power needed to run my mouse.

checked power options, fast start up not on as expected.

Feel I have done all of these:

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-help/how-to-fix-second-monitor-not-detected-on-windows-10-and-11

Maybe it is the monitor itself since its always acted this way.
power saving and auto standby are both off on the LG, and no new firmware.

See what happens tomorrow as its generally fine unless PC been off a few hours.

 

[muhammadali2003]

@Colif @Kaamos_Llama @Zed_Clampet The whole text clarity argument on 34-inch ultrawides is always funny because people read one analysis piece on first-gen panel layouts and assume every modern screen has permanent colored fringing.

If you look at the subpixel structure macro shots under a magnifying lens, the difference between generations is pretty staggering.

Evolution of QD-OLED subpixel geometry and text rendering sharpness.


The early 34-inch panels had a distinct triangular layout that messed with Windows ClearType parsing, leaving weird green or magenta shadows on the edges of white text boxes. But the Gen 3 panels—especially on the newer 32-inch 4K modules—squared off the subpixel design completely. Combined with the higher pixel density, text fringing is basically a solved problem now unless you sit three inches from the screen with a magnifying glass.

Congrats on pulling the trigger on the Alienware AW3425DW, @Kaamos_Llama! Honestly, sitting on a 27-inch IPS for 5 years means that immediate jump to instantaneous pixel responses is going to feel massive, especially in atmospheric single-player campaigns. VA panels get a lot of love for deep contrast, but the classic "black smearing" when panning a camera quickly through low-light environments is impossible to unsee once you notice it.

@Colif Good call on holding out for the Gen 3 BlackShield film variants if you have a brighter workspace setup. The original glossy QD-OLED configurations are incredible in a completely dark room, but the second an overhead light or window catches the screen, the ambient light causes the black levels to lift into a distinct purplish hue because there's no traditional polarizing layer. That dual-mode 4K/480Hz panel tech is wild, but unless you're playing competitive twitch shooters for a living, prioritizing rich contrast and true HDR tracking over blistering frame rates is definitely the smarter play for a general setup.

 

[Colif]

Good call on holding out for the Gen 3 BlackShield film variants if you have a brighter workspace setup.

i was unable to get that one. Maybe next time. They keep delaying release of it here and I got the PG32UCDMR instead.
I didn't need/want dual mode.

Have you see the new RGB Stripe monitors? Different layout of pixels, might be easier to read

It took my eyes a few weeks to adjust to the monitor before I could use a black theme with white text, it was too hard before perhaps today.

 

[Colif]

@Kaamos_Llama did you ever get a monitor? I must have missed it if you did.

I was looking at a dual monitor stand for my two monitors but it appears my LG can't be vesa mounted so I guess it needs to use its stand.

So I just buy a single.

I could get one of these for 230

Or just spend 20 more and get this instead which matches monitor...

Need table first so in a few weeks time... always waiting.

 

[Colif]

Seems I am wrong about the LG so I could get one of these and mount both

https://www.ergotron.com/en-au/products/product-details/45-476#?color=black

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

I ordered it on a big sale, but the supplier from Denmark kept pushing the date back until I just decided to cancel it and wait for the next gen models to go on sale, whenever the stars align.

 

[Colif]

Sales might be Xmas, depends how fast they can clear the previous gen ones that will be on sale now.

I would still be waiting if I had not accepted the previous model. I don't know if anyone has it here yet, I sort of stopped looking. Crazy if its still coming in June... 3 months after I ordered one.

I can only wait so long.

The PG32UCDM3 cannot run with DCC/CI and VRR on at same time. Just like my current model, so really the only difference is it can do true black 500 and has a scratch resistant screen... not sure it was worth the cost difference, provided I don't scratch my screen.

Wish I had known that 3 months ago.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

The scratch resistance was a bit of a worry for me, as well as the brightness. Burn in too. Honestly I looked at what I have and it still looked pretty good and I was starting to get to the busy time in spring so wouldnt have been as much time to play with it anyway.

I might get something in autumn like usual, will see how the summer goes.

 

[Colif]

the packaging on the new ones actually scratching them before delivery - even if caused by freight companies - was a concern to me. Would have hated to get one and then have to return it again.

brightness? lack or too much?
its a trade off. Do you want burn in now or in a few years?
The early Samsung Oleds were brighter but may have burned out faster, as creating more light causes heat, and they lacked many of the features in new ones that fight to prevent it:
My monitor has:

1. Screen dimming - auto dimming if screen not been used in a set period of time
2. Logo detection - reduces brightness of Icons to prevent burn in
3. Taskbar Detection - reduces brightness of Taskbar if its detected
4. Boundary Detection - reduces chance of burn in if watching videos with black bars
5. Outer Dimming Control: Auto dims area around peak brightness area to reduce risk of burn in
6. Global Dimming Control: Dynamically adjusts brightness of display to reduce burn in
7. Uniform Brightness: Maintains a constant brightness level
8. Target Mode: Entire screen dims except for the app with focus - not using this
9. Pixel Cleaning: Manual scan I run every 4 hours, or which runs when screen in standby
10. Screen Move: Constanly moving pixels on screen to prevent pixel sticking

I have my taskbar set to auto hide, I made that change in February to adjust before I got monitor... I also have screen set to sleep after 5 minutes.

If I continue to run Pixel Clean and all the rest auto run, I am not concerned about Burn in.
I think its over blown out of proportion and is not really a problem now.
Plenty of videos showing screens with many hours on them with no sign yet,

think I stopped looking for wallpapers and will just enjoy my fishtanks instead

i noticed some of the fish in the left image are reused in the right.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

the packaging on the new ones actually scratching them before delivery - even if caused by freight companies - was a concern to me. Would have hated to get one and then have to return it again.

brightness? lack or too much?
its a trade off. Do you want burn in now or in a few years?
The early Samsung Oleds were brighter but may have burned out faster, as creating more light causes heat, and they lacked many of the features in new ones that fight to prevent it:
My monitor has:

1. Screen dimming - auto dimming if screen not been used in a set period of time
2. Logo detection - reduces brightness of Icons to prevent burn in
3. Taskbar Detection - reduces brightness of Taskbar if its detected
4. Boundary Detection - reduces chance of burn in if watching videos with black bars
5. Outer Dimming Control: Auto dims area around peak brightness area to reduce risk of burn in
6. Global Dimming Control: Dynamically adjusts brightness of display to reduce burn in
7. Uniform Brightness: Maintains a constant brightness level
8. Target Mode: Entire screen dims except for the app with focus - not using this
9. Pixel Cleaning: Manual scan I run every 4 hours, or which runs when screen in standby
10. Screen Move: Constanly moving pixels on screen to prevent pixel sticking

I have my taskbar set to auto hide, I made that change in February to adjust before I got monitor... I also have screen set to sleep after 5 minutes.

If I continue to run Pixel Clean and all the rest auto run, I am not concerned about Burn in.
I think its over blown out of proportion and is not really a problem now.
Plenty of videos showing screens with many hours on them with no sign yet,

think I stopped looking for wallpapers and will just enjoy my fishtanks instead

i noticed some of the fish in the left image are reused in the right.

As in I have a very sunny room here with huge windows, so I need a good amount of brightness to see. properly. Doesnt help that the sun is shining the whole waking portion of the day and some for months on end here.

Thought about WOLED because of the brightness, will get back to it.

As for burn in, I know it takes years and theres loads of mitigation tech for it, but theres something a little upsetting about paying a good amount of money for something that sort of feels more disposable than normal. My current IPS screen is 5 or 6 years old and looks as good as the day I got it, I'm not convinced an OLED will be the same even if it doesnt get actual burn in. You know I like to sell stuff on, so it kind of makes me hesitant in that way as well.

I may even try out a Mini LED screen, or I might just get some form of OLED later. Undecided.

As it stands I should probably start saving for some DDR5 RAM for my next platform upgrade anyway, if I start now I might be able to afford 32GB in 2030 😀

 

[Colif]

The main difference between woled and qd oled when it comes to reflections is what screen surface is used.

Woled tend to be matte but some are glossy now
QD OlED are almost all glossy

Glossy vs Matte: Which Monitor Coating Is The Best?

The battle of glossy vs matte can go on forever as there are options with both coatings, but there are still some pros and cons to each type of screen finish.

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woled tends to smear the light over the screen whereas glossy is more of a clear reflection
Mine was mirror like before I removed the protective screen it had on originally

But in its current location, I have to lean really close into screen and look at its right side to even see the lamp behind me. If any screen does reflect it more, its my LG that has a matte coating.

But if your room is bright, I can see reasons not to use Oled. Really depends where windows are and how PC is set up in relation to them. My windows behind the screen.

Monitors anyway, Oled TV can go way brighter.

All the display types have reasons to avoid them.
TN/VA have bad viewing angles, need to be in perfect spot
IPS have grey blacks (as do above two, blames backlight)
mini led have the same problems, bad viewing angles and grey blacks.
True RGB - Expensive and currently only in Sony TV. Colours tend to bleed. Blacks are almost OLED like.

I looked at alternatives last few weeks

As it stands I should probably start saving for some DDR5 RAM for my next platform upgrade anyway, if I start now I might be able to afford 32GB in 2030

I only need to do that if 6000mts ram isn't the ideal and they moved to 8k. I cross that bridge later, as MB can still be used. 🙂

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

Yea its not really reflections, its the lack of brightness I worry about. The huge window is to my left and I quite often have to pull the blinds down and whack the brightness up with my current monitor in the summer to be able to see games properly at certain time of the day. WOLEDS are meant to be a bit brighter generally than QD-OLEDs with that from what Ive been reading, but teh newer screens seem to improve on it some.

Mini LEDs are either IPS or VA afaik, but the brightness is way higher compared to OLEDS which makes them possibly a bit better in bright rooms for HDR stuff. Ive had IPS monitors for over 10 years and the lack of deep blacks has never bothered me particularly, so thats where my thinking went.

I wouldnt go with anything VA at this point for gaming because the black smearing and response times would bother me in fast games, Ive had 2 previous slower IPS than the LG Nano one I have and I did used to notice it. We have a QLED TV with a VA screen that looks great for movies and TV though.

 

[Colif]

The new Tandem Oleds are brightest Oleds but its not by a lot. 1300 max compared to 1100 on mine. I have mine running at half brightness on desktop, HDR I have less control.

Tandem OLED vs. QD-OLED: Which Monitor Panel Is Better?

The battle of Tandem OLED vs. QD-OLED is close. They have many of the same strengths, including fantastic picture quality and incredible gaming performance.

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Mini LEDs are either IPS or VA afaik, but the brightness is way higher compared to OLEDS which makes them possibly a bit better in bright rooms for HDR stuff

Current mini led

the newer version:

I never noticed the blacks being grey on my other monitor until I had this to compare against.

I don't miss black smear. It was evident on these forums just by scrolling the front page.
Its why my VA monitor is only used now to show discord, it doesn't need to scroll as much.

 

[Kaamos_Llama]

Tandem OLEDS are looking better, I still wish they would be as durable as older tech models though

Its a real shame that after TN, IPS, and VA we ended up with another set of options on top that all still have serious caveats.

Maybe Ill wait on what I have for another 10 years, if western society is still standing there might be something available then.

 

[Colif]

Part of me wants to replace my 2nd monitor with one that can at least do HDR. Not sure it needs to be oled, but way it is looking it might be. its hard to ignore the colour differences when you take a photo of the same picture on both and compare. Totally unfair on my LG. Its reply to Asus is.... at least my stand lets me rotate to portrait... lol

at first having a second 32 inch seemed a waste but now I have a use for it, every 4 hours moving my browser to it while Oled cleans pixels.

its mostly a tie now between Oled and Mini led, it depends what you value more. Contrast or brightness is the decision you have to make, really. Bright room, choose mini led... dark room, choose oled.
Neither is perfect.

Trend I don't like is most are 27 inch now. Its hard to find 32 inch monitors, unless they 4k Oleds. Search for 4k mini led and half the results are oled lol. 4k being pushed down in sizes as 5k2k enters picture. you can get 4k in 24 inches now... if not careful, in 10 years you need to buy an 8k at 24 inches... I know you want wide but its unlikely to be 1440p in height still.