Question First build help

[Seethan]

I need some advice on my first build. I need to be able to do 3D modeling on it and run games reasonably well (the most demanding game would probably be apex) at 1080 at least. The software I'm using is SolidWorks, which I know prioritizes the gpu.
I'm looking at either a Ryzen 5600 (G, X, or just 5600) or an Intel 12400 (f or non-f) for the cpu.
For the gpu, I'm considering a Radeon 6600XT.
Will this be sufficient?
This is my build so far...
PCPartPicker Part List:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Vetroo V5 52 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

While it would be nice to have an iGPU if and when the system decides to throw you a wrench, you will loose out on computing performance. I'd opt for the 5600X, as opposed to the (regular)5600. You would need to up the PSU to a reliably built 750W unit As for your ram, look into a dual channel DDR4-3600Mhzkit, you're going to gain more performance out of the faster ram kit. If you can find a tight timings kit at above rated frequency, you'll be set in stone.

I'd also look into a beefy AIO, though.

 

[Seethan]

If you can find a tight timings kit at above rated frequency, you'll be set in stone.

I'd also look into a beefy AIO, though.

What is an AIO? And timings kit? Im not too familiar with all the lingo yet

 

[Brian Boru]

Welcome to the forum

What is an AIO?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cooling#Liquid_cooling

timings kit?

Understanding RAM Timings - Hardware Secrets

A detailed 2022 guide with examples of RAM Speed vs. RAM Timings and all of the factors that impact RAM performance.

hardwaresecrets.com

RAM Speed and Timings Explained - XBitLabs

When building a computer you should always diligently investigate which parts you should not skimp on, as they might impact your performance in a way you never expected. This is the case with RAM and why people often do not get the maximum performance out of their super expensive PC builds...

www.xbitlabs.com

 

[Seethan]

Welcome to the forum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cooling#Liquid_cooling

Understanding RAM Timings - Hardware Secrets

A detailed 2022 guide with examples of RAM Speed vs. RAM Timings and all of the factors that impact RAM performance.

hardwaresecrets.com

RAM Speed and Timings Explained - XBitLabs

When building a computer you should always diligently investigate which parts you should not skimp on, as they might impact your performance in a way you never expected. This is the case with RAM and why people often do not get the maximum performance out of their super expensive PC builds...

www.xbitlabs.com

Thank you very much

 

[Seethan]

What would you suggest for an AIO?
And other than what you suggested, does everything else seem good?

 

[Lutfij]

240mm/280mm/360mm(360mm, if you want to look at cooling in the long term).

 

[Seethan]

What would you consider tight timing? Like 16-20-20-38?

 

[Lutfij]

What would you consider tight timing? Like 16-20-20-38?
That's a relevant/relative question. What sort of ram kits were you looking at?

You're located in the U.S.A? Correct? For trying to hunt down a tight timings kit...some people come around parsing PCPartPicker links(with United States as the location in the drop down) but then reveal they're not located anywhere near that continent.

 

[Seethan]

I do live in the US. These are a couple I'm eyeballing:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wPvdnQ/corsair-vengeance-rgb-rt-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-cmn16gx4m2z3600c16

and

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JgLwrH/gskill-trident-z-neo-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtznc

possibly these:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Jm2WGX/kingston-fury-renegade-rgb-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-kf436c16rbak216

 

[Lutfij]

Did a quick search, this should be a good one;

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cXD7YJ/mushkin-redline-lumina-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-cl14-memory-mla4c360ekkt8gx2

 

[Seethan]

So is the CAS latency seen as more important?

 

[Lutfij]

That's what timings are. You're going to get a well rounded off performance package with DDR4-3600MHz+tight timings.

 

[Seethan]

So when referencing timings, you only consider the first timing (CAS latency)? Because there are 4 timing values, eg. 16 20 20 36. Sorry, I'm just making sure I understand fully.

 

[Lutfij]

First is the frequency, then is the timings and then finally the voltage at which you're achieving the timings/frequency. If the voltages are high for tight timings, then the chips on the ram sticks aren't binned to the highest of standards. Cherry picked IC's will mean you're running low voltages, tight timings and a high frequency.

 

[Seethan]

Ok, thanks for clarifying. And thanks for the RAM suggestion, I'll give them a go.
This is my updated build:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($193.69 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MASTERLIQUID ML240L RGB V2 65.59 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($71.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($199.00 @ B&H)
Memory: Mushkin Redline Lumina 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL14 Memory ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA G5 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ EVGA)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit ($109.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $1270.61
This is just my starter/(slightly) budget build.
Anything else you'd like to add/critique?

 

[Lutfij]

You have a link to the PCPartpicker build? Click on BB (code) icon, you should see a new window, copy paste the first link, that should look like this;

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LNqWbh

 

[Seethan]

Here you are.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kWHpFg

 

[Lutfij]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($193.69 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Fractal Design Celsius+ S24 Dynamic X2 PWM 87.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($134.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Redline Lumina 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL14 Memory ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Crucial P2 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($158.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Nano Mini ITX Tower Case ($108.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion+ 660P 660 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($117.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit ($109.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $1525.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-09-12 17:58 EDT-0400
^ That's what I'd get if I had the funds, using only one GPU and no other PCIe cards/devices.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($193.69 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMERSTORM CAPTAIN 240PRO V2 69.34 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($61.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M MORTAR WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($211.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Redline Lumina 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL14 Memory ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Crucial P2 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($158.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool MACUBE 110 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($59.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.89 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit ($109.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $1372.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-09-12 18:16 EDT-0400
^ That's what I'd build with a minor change to your initial build, provided you can expend a little than what you've linked above.

I realized I didn't add this one;

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Mk648d/microsoft-windows-10-home-retail-download-3264-bit-kw9-00265

that's the non OEM OS. OEM's tend to be bound to the motherboard BIOS(last I checked, I stand to be corrected, though).

 

[Seethan]

Wow, that's completely different
So why a mini case? And the sapphire gpu instead of the msi? And the B550 mobo instead of the X570? Are the 2 SSDs just multiple options?

 

[Lutfij]

MSI's cards are known to be, lackluster on the budget end and you actually don't get what you pay for. The smaller builds are because:
a| I actually build small form factor builds and in turn pass the idea along
b| if you're not going to add more PCIe cards beyond your single discrete GPU , then you're actually paying for real estate you won't use in the future. With how things are going, you don't need to build a bulky system.

No, not multiple, one SSD for the OS and game launchers/app's, while the larger SSD is for your game library. You can skip the 2TB SSD and get a 1TB one of the same brand and series.

B550 was a latter gen chipset, which was meant for people on a more budget mentality. The X series of chipsets were meant for crossfire or SLI...which is actually moot now if you do your research, seeing how the returns on investment on multi GPU setups are moot(that's a long story).

 

[Seethan]

So there's basically no need for the full size unless I were doing multiple gpu (which I will never do).
Is it necessary to get more than one ssd? Or just convenience? Good info, though.

 

[Lutfij]

I wouldn't partition an SSD, only helps degrade the performance. One SSD, one partition. So if you have the OS and app's on one, when you decide to format and reinstall the OS, you only need to reinstall the OS, app's and launchers. Not GB's worth of games...which is why I added the other SSD.

Larger board, larger case, eventually the case becomes a box of dust/debris over time if you don't maintain it regularly. Small builds are a little challenging to work with, in the sense that you need to follow a sequence of sorts since some builds require one component to go in before the other. Also makes life a mess when you have large hands and small case to work with. If you're not going to add more PCIe cards(like wifi and the likes) then you're not actually in need of a large build.

 

[Seethan]

Makes sense. By wifi, you mean by adding wifi capability to a mobo without one?
Would you say sapphire gpus are decent?

 

[Lutfij]

Yes and no, some people like to add their own WiFi card, something that they've been working with. On the other end of the spectrum, you'll also have people drop in RAID cards or Ethernet cards or even a dedicated sound card.

If you have more money to spend on the GPU, you can go up the price table for Sapphire GPU's. At that point you might even be interested in looking at the RTX 3060's but you're going to have to up your PSU.